Who objects to this dog being bred? - Page 4

MVF

This thread, especially your post, could tie in nicely with the thread we just had on culling, but I don't know if I want to open that can of worms again.

Sorry but I still have to say I wouldn't use him if I had the money to breed to a top BSP dog.  I applaud what he and his handler have accomplished but like I said, too many other BSP competitors out there to pick from when it comes down to choosing one for my bitch.  With the advances in frozen semen and AI, it's not even that hard for us Americans to breed to a top Euro stud.  I had completely overlooked the number of noch-zugelassens in his pedigree so that just cements my thinking.

 

i mean heterozygus

 

Allow me to contribute another point I believe is pertinent. One can dissect the issue of whether this dog would be a worthwhile for a PARTICULAR breeding - but one must consider the breed in the global sense as well when a discussion like this presents itself (or rather, is presented by MVF) Consider the well established principle that for each generation - a certain percentage of the population should be represented in the following generation with progeny - in order to avoid a radical shrinking of diversity in the gene pool. (This goes to the generally accepted principle that a breed should NEVER be managed by only breeding a tiny portion of the very elite in any single generation) Therefore; of all the dogs in the current breeding generation, let's say 55% should be bred in order to prevent radical problems with increasing homozygosity of deleterious recessive negatives which would result otherwise. Do people really believe that the dog in question doesn't fall into the category of the top 55% ? Can anyone - in all honesty argue that point? Perhaps you may argue that 55% is a ridiculously high percentage of dogs that should be bred. What would you base that opinion on? Wishful thinking? Certainly it would do well to be skeptical of the number. But how would you go about determining what the accurate % should be if 55% is incorrect? Would you simply choose a percentage THAT SUITED YOUR CURRENT POINT OF VIEW? THAT would hardly be the best way to arrive at the truth. Perhaps you may scream from the mountaintops: "Pet overpopulation is more of an issue than breed viability!!" Perhaps a better response to that problem should be that the same SchH1 bitches shouldn't be bred 6x and the same SchH3 dogs shouldn't be bred 20x!!! Do any of you own dogs that you've bred more that 2-3 times? Are you SURE that those dogs should be so heavily represented in the next generation as to risk the problems that could result from that practice? Regardless of the fact that "longcoat" is a disqualification does anyone here really consider it worse than a shy sharp dog? Or an overly aggressive vicious dog? Or a dysplastic dog? Or a cancer ridden dog? Or a spooky nerve bag? The common belief that there are plenty of great SHORTCOATED dogs to be bred is NOT NECESSARILY true. Everyone would probably be well served to honestly re-evaluate what characteristics are really reprehensible and which ones are not. Finally, perhaps people might be best off thinking a bit about "what they DON'T know and keep an open mind about condeming the genes of a great dog to OBLIVION because it has hair a bit longer than they like. JMO

My personal opinion on this is that if I can find a stock coat that fits the particular breeding great but

as far as faults/health issues go if the only problem that shows up in a litter is the long coat I would be

happy.

Trafalgar,

Very nice posts, It is hopeful that some of the elitist and less knowledgable breeders will read this post two or three times and absorb what you are saying. It doesn't matter whether or not particular individuals would breed to this dog as they only represent a miniscule action, but it is important that people understand what you just wrote because it is more valuable than many opinions that are spouted.

Quote: If some of us had to be judged on our bad builds, hairy backs, lack of courage and bad nerves we would be far from breed worthy. I am totally breed worthy, talk about yourself. LOL