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by MVF on 01 December 2007 - 00:12


I am curious about what sort of argument one can make to not breed a top BSP competitor in this working breed, based on conformational constraints (in this case, coat).


by MI_GSD on 01 December 2007 - 00:12

But why would you when there are so many top BSP stock coat dogs to breed your female to?  I did a search and found a couple of his litters.  Would you want a litter with 80% coated out of standard pups in  it?



by sueincc on 01 December 2007 - 00:12

He has been bred.  He has two litters listed on this database, but only one pup has a picture:


For me, as wonderful as this dog obviously is, his coat would make it a deal breaker and I would not breed to him.  I think there are so many excellent working dogs that do meet the standard, I can't see where I would  feel the need to go to a dog with a disqualifying fault.

I think coats are beautiful and the cool thing is they do pop up and perhaps give someone a chance to own a potentially top competition dog at a lesser price.


by sueincc on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

haha, we posted at the same time and said almost the same thing!!!!!


by MI_GSD on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

Great minds think alike.....

I just looked over that website I posted and I swear for a minute I thought some were Tervs.


by Silbersee on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

What purpose does this breeding serve? To use his BSP placements as a selling feature? Just like there are showline people only breeding to show placements, there are workingline people who care only about points and competition placements.

Sorry, I am a bit testy tonight, nothing personal. No matter how often we discuss the FCI standard and the SV breeding regulations, there is always a new thread about justifying violations. Please check the FCI standard (you will find this on the USA website and it has been linked to in various other threads, too tired to do it again). You will find under disqualifying faults, para k)  the  long stock coat. So, to answer your question, anybody who cares about the standard should object about this dog being bred. Why? Because he is convenient to travel to and the owner does not charge a whole lot of money? Is that the justification?


by gsdlvr2 on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

testy or not Chris,well said. I mentioned on another thread-why am I bothering to breed titled KKL 1 stock? I understand your frustration. How is it possible that every bozo with a male and a female can call themselves a breeder? Oh, I forgot to mention...I won the WUSV title right here in my own yard. It was very exciting to be chosen among so many. After that, I breed surveyed all my dogs and they all got KKL 1 so of course I am very proud because they are now recommended for breeding. The problem with breeding is too many people rely on the standard. I say, lets write our own standard, proof our own dogs and judge and breed them ourselves preferably here at home in our own back yards. to heck with DQ faults, let's make it up as we go along. I'm testy too.


by Hundguy on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

I agree with the other posts. I can ad other things to the list outside the obvious long coat fault.

  1. No Hip/Elbow Ratings
  2. Mother is Noch-zugelassen
  3. Grandmother is Noch-Zugelassen
  4. There are way too many great Aly sons to go to if that is the blood you want.
  5. There are many BSP competitors to go to if the points/placings are what is most important to you
  6. He is already 10yrs old with no real progeny to judge and justify going to a long coat..
  7. etc etc..

Great to see the owner worked the dog to this level even though he is a non-breeding qualty...


Best Regards,
Dennis Johnson


Shelley Strohl

by Shelley Strohl on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

Coat aside, there's an awful lot of Noch Zugelassen hips on the bottom line!

Methinks he was a "freak" of sorts... good in himself, but liable to reproduce his scorebook, even if bred to top females.




by 4pack on 01 December 2007 - 01:12

I object because he isn't even pleasing to my eye. Soooo many more worthy dogs, that have the backround (proven producers) to go to before this dog. Just because he won does not = worthy to breed to. More to it than that. You know all those stupid little things like the standard.


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