P.E.T. G.S.D - Page 6

dawgs and sueincc:    I'm also tired of people saying a high drive schutzhund, or other high drive working dogs, cannot be a pet.  Ours are both.  They have the stable nerves to go with the high drive and the off switch that makes the so very important balance.    Too bad balance and switch isn't taken into consideration.

Out of our litter, two went to "pet" homes.  These were not rejects in any way, they went to homes that understand what a good, well bred, GSD is and should be.  

animules-, and others....I hope yall dont think thats what im saying......

I was always attracted to the GSD, because i've always seen this as a breed that can do it ALL.....the best of everything wrapped up in one dog....

sorry....

anyway, to me the well bred GSD has, beauty, brains, brawn and loyalty...

i don't think they should be bred for ONE on these reasons, but for all of them......this is what makes them so great, with all of these qualities, they can serve almost any purpose...

Iluv-I'll tell you what I thought; I was jealous as hell. I love your dog's looks and from pm's I love his personality. That's all I can say about that.

GSD2727-I'm beginning to think that the problem is people may not have been exposed to dogs that DO have good nerves. Maybe if they had been they wouldn't see it as such a stretch that a dog can do a high intensity job or sport yet still be predominantly calm and stable? That's the only thing I can think from the conundrum of working dogs who can't be pets thinking. Not bashing anyone in particular, just trying to fathom why it's so far fetched to some.

It also seems like it is better for the sport of SCH that it's not as popular or it might find itself having to adjust to the dogs who can't be both. Just an outside opinion.

It's been explained to me that there will always be a couple out of every litter that do not conform to the overall goal (not quality but goal) of the breeding. One or two will excell beyond that goal and one or two will not be particularly suited for that goal.  If you breed with the goal of breeding pets you will get that one or two that do not meet that goal and what do you do with them? Whereas if you breed with the goal of a working (meaning focused, stable, persistant and with stamina) dog you may come out with the type dog that does not need an off switch because he is more mellow by nature.  It is like some one here said, it would be better for the breed if there were buyers than dogs for sale. That way there would be a place for all the mellower dogs and the higher work ethic dog.  

And, yes, family protector and pet is a job. Rather half of the job intended by Max.

As far as Taz goes; the question is the same as any other dog. Not what has his training been but how was his training done and who is he as an individual.  That would be the deciding factor for me. I don't think dogs come off a Sch or pet production line. They are all individuals. 

thnks dawgs

<<<They are all individuals>>>>...i agree

IluvmyGSD, I think you do have a good dog in Boss.  From what you've shown as he grows up he seems to have the good nerves so many sold as pets don't.   In answer to your question about what I thought when you and Boss first arrived?  I don't remember exactly now. I do remember thinking he was a very nice looking pup from obvious working lines.  But from what I've seen since you were given a very special great gift.   There was one person we thought about giving one of our pups too as a family companion.  Circumstances did not allow them to accept the pup at this time.  So the possiblity of being gifted with a high quality pup is not out of reason.

The SV is the reason the German dogs are so much better than the American Show Shepherds.  If you disagree, fine, just go with the American Show Sheperds & leave the rest to those of us that prefer the German type.

Do Right, If youthink I was putting you down when I suggested you check out the SV, then you are one sick puppy.  Get help soon.

Beetree:  Texas......TEXAS? You think I'm from Texas, why thems fightn' words !! (kidding)

sueinc:  I will be nice and assume you are having PMS.  How does that sound.  You again, could not debate an issue without slinging mud.  Calling me a jerk and uneducated.  I also never called anyone out, as you put it.  I was called out, and I provided my address and said "bring it".  I was threatened to name a time and location and I did.  I never call someone out until they do it first.  I never call someone a jerk until they do it first.  I never curse at someone until they do it first.

For your information, I was training dogs when you were still just a gleam in your daddy's eyes.  I trained dogs for military jobs, and for personal protection.  Ya know, those dogs that actually bite intruders or someone who is not wearing a toy on his arm and putting it into the dogs mouth as the dog arrives.  I participated in the sport of schutzhund for one day.  I tried it and it was not for me.  A bunch of people with blinders on about their dogs, and spending years trying to get them to pass a test and score some points.  The dogs I witnessed, with the exception of one that was seven years old, were no better than any dog I have ever owned and most of my dogs have come from shelters or the newspaper ads, throughout my life.

In a previous discussion with you, on another subject, I mentioned that you seem to have an elitist attitude.  Now someone else has used those very same words.  I guess it just comes across.

I asked you to have a discussion in the arena of ideas, and you degenerated to mud sling, name calling and saying I am a cry baby, in a round about way (which is the way you usually do it, as you think that you are so much slicker and intelligent than most of us).

You make assumptions constantly about things that you have no experience in, everytime you get involved in a post.  For instance, have you ever bred a litter?  Have you ever bred a litter of untitled dogs?  Have you ever actually tried what you are so sure is wrong.  You have been told for so long, by so many of those that surround you, that something is totally wrong, and you just go along with it.

I say that I can breed my two untitled show line dogs and the pups will be just as good as those of almost any titled parents.  I say my pups will have what it takes to obtain a schutzhund title, just as much as the pups from another pair of show line dogs, that have titles.  Yes, out of every litter there will usually be some that can and some that can't.  But that goes both ways.  From both litters.  The GSD German show lines are so closely related that we are all playing with the same genes, and thus, the same percentages of good, neutral and bad dogs.

Perhaps you should just once in your life, have an open mind and carry on a conversation like an adult that wants to exchange ideas, instead of being the normal you, that already knows everything.

Naw, nevermind.  I like you like you are.  A tip though, for free.  When you are in a hole, stop digging.

Weren't you leaving?