is this good or bad - Page 6

i was on the phone for an hour with a local trainer tonight. we are meeting this weekend, and her partner too, possibly.

Hodie:  Re read my post   I did not condone anything this woman has done   I ask her to get rid of the boyfriend and sell the dog...she doesnt even know what kind of dog she bought.....SHE DOES NOT NEED A DOG     SHE CANT EVEN TELL A STORY STRAIGHT SO HOW CAN SHE TRAIN A DOG....HER STORY RAMBLES FROM ONE STORY TO THE NEXT AND SHE JUST KEEPS ON RATIONALIZING ALL THIS.....'

HER QUESTION WAS     IS THIS GOOD OR BAD.......LADY,,,THERE ISNT ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT THE WHOLE SCENE YOU JUST PAINTED......AND YOU JUST INVITED A VISIT FROM THE  HUMAN RESOURCE DEPT AND CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES AND ANIMAL CONTROL.....SO DONT LISTEN TO US......

SELL THE DOGS  YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING ........HODIE IS CORRECT....YOU ARE THE POWDER KEG AND BI POLAR IS AN EXCUSE....SO DONT USE IT....TAKE YOUR MEDS AND FIND A NEW PLACE TO LIVE....

CLEAN UP YOUR LIFE ..BEFORE SOME INNOCENT GETS HURT..

ilovemygsdnenz- QUOTE "agar to answer your question, i tell people he bites because i don't want people to think this a friendly dog."

I'm gonna attempt to help you understand something despite the fact I still consider myself a "newbie".  When you make a decission to own a dog with protection training on him you have accepted a responsibility and liability. The liability is this dog has been trained to bite and you the owner knows this firsthand for certain-hence he bites someone and you've disclosed the fact you trained him to do so you have got A LOT of problems on your hands.  The responsibility comes into play that owning a dog trained for protection can eliminate liability IF you are acting with common sense and take precautions. 

To respond to your quote I must ask you something...Are you under this misconception that because a dog has been trained in protection he can not be "friendly"?  TOTALLY untrue.  Let's be frank here...any big dog will LOOK intimidating to the average person and chances are when you see or hear the deep bark it's enough for someone to not get close enough to ask if he's "friendly".  A dog without training of any breed IMO is more dangerous simply because he has not been trained therefore unpredictable.

I have 3 small children living in my house all the time and 2 more that come on the weekends.  I have 3 GSD's. My first GSD was acquired specifically as a personal protection dog . Is he "friendly"? He lets my 2 year old baby touch his teeth and kisses her, lays beside her while she reads him books  (in her language of course) lol  but you show him any kind of threat and you're gonna see a different side of him.  Is he mean?  Absolutely NOT. HE'S TRAINED!  Big difference.  My 11 year old daughter started learning to handle my bitch in obedience, she is a very civil pissed off bitch that wants to shred you up when she's doing bite work.  Is she mean??  NOPE, very controlled in everyday environments.  Will she bite you?  Without a doubt if the situation calls for it she'll do her job and get it done.  But she will be more than willing to allow someone to pet her if we're out on a walk and I have no concern or reason to tell people she bites because I know if you are just gonna pet her with my permission none of my dogs are gonna bite.  Has your dog been trained at all by anyone in the past?

i was told he was a showdog, didn't have much obedience training, but he knew platz, fuss, sitz. he wasn't always like this. we moved twice since we got him. the first two neighborhoods anyone could walk up and pet him if we were out walking. the last move, we would be out walking, and people would flip out and start yelling while he was looking for a place to pee. then he started getting suspicous because people were yelling and waving their arms around. this scared me and i praised him because i didn't want them to come any closer.

ok i have gotten the message loud and clear that this is bad. apparently nobody gives a shit really about the income. i said i am working on it with a trainer this weekend, hello? you people have nothing better to do than make fun of me and my situation without ever even meeting me or my dog. i'm rotflmao really. all the snide remarks and rude comments, sorry, did you think you would hurt my feelings? nice try. i asked a question, i got an answer. i'm working on changing things and doing my best to maintain my good reputation i have where i live. i'll take the daily comments from people i've known for years over some internet losers, any day.

I,  like many of you who have posted here always want to help people, especially when it comes to understanding their dog and what is and is not appropriate social behavior.

I repeat:  

Sometimes people come here looking for absolution for their stupidity, laziness, poor breeding practices or lack of ethical behavior. It gets old and one learns quickly to read between the lines. There is a long history here, and like I and others have pointed out, when things go badly with a GSD or any large breed, the breeds suffer, not to mention the individual hurt and the dog who often ends up being put down. 

Sometimes one cannot help because some people really DO NOT want to hear the answers they get. This is such a case. Blitzen said it best once before: "you can't fix stupid".

I guarantee you that this person will continue to visit internet sites, asking for help when she does not want it. Eventually there will be a serious incident because she has no clue what she is doing, and she will be told she must place it. Then people like me will get phone calls or emails asking if we can take the dog and find a police department to take it, and of course, the answer will be no. Finally, the dog will end up in a shelter and because of its' behavior, it will be put down.

Her actions speak louder than words. She is the one who condemns herself and the dog to such a fate. There is nothing any of you can do, try as you might. My advice is to learn to read between the lines. This is a typical type situation someone posts here, many well-meaning people try to help and all any of you get is frustration.

I can probably also tell you a lot about the person. The character is flawed and everything is the fault of someone else or society in general. Not much can be done with such an attitude.

ilovemygsdnenz-  You statement above shows just how truly ignorant you are.  I can't speak for others but I did not "make fun of you, your dog or your situation but in fact tried to give you some very good advice.  Advice that was given to me by many many knowledgeable people.  But instead of being gracious to those who did actually attempt to help you understand what you were doing wrong, why and how to correct it you turn around and get hostile calling them all "internet losers".  Now I never claimed to be an Einstein but from where I'm sitting it appears that you too would fall at the top of the list in that category since you too are surfing the internet.  The only different between you and the rest are that they actually know what the hell they are talking about and are here to offer their input in hopes it helps others.

You my dear clearly have "ISSUES", do what you want, you're probably right, none of us know what we are talking about, Nenz is great, you are great, everything is just peachy and we are all just internet losers so therefore you won't be needing our help anymore. RIGHT?

Hey guys I have a question, (im not making excuses for her  at ALL!)  can/will her dog pick up on hers bi-polar moods ?  Not saying it's not her fault, just wondering if this is possible ??    Please be nice ! lol

 Hodie I always love your posts. In fact, you're one of the few people where when you START a post, I actually read it:-) Agar you too:-)

Notice I gave up trying with this person. I have clients who pay for what I have to say, many who actually DO what I say...so why waste my time with someone who won't listen for free ya know? Only time I really HAVE to go off is when I think it's going to hurt the breed. I just wish sometimes we knew some of these people, so that when their dog DOES bite someone, we could pull up the posts here and show in a court that the person was warned and failed to heed the warning. Maybe it would lessen these types of people here who don't have a clue and get all hostile when called on it. Ah but such is not the case, bummer.

Venzosmom yes the dog can pick up on the bipolar moods. I've trained several psychiatric service dogs and this is why it's so incredibly important to match the right dog to the right person when this is thrown into the mix. I normally have not worked with service dogs for types of conditions where it might be too stressful for the dog. It takes a particular dog that can handle it. But the dogs can and do pick up on the mood swings, and honestly if the person is TOO unstable I refuse to put the dog into the situation. ESPECIALLY a dog that is showing worried behaviors himself. Then you have a reactive person with a reactive dog depending on the individual situation (you see this even MORESO when working with people that also have PTSD and are reactive to every little noise etc). I've also worked with dogs for people with severe anxiety disorders and actually use the dogs ability to pick up mood to our advantage. Teach the dog to insist on the owner engaging with them when the owner is highly anxious for example. It breaks the thought pattern alot of times. BECAUSE of this ability of nenz (who being a shepherd is probably even smarter then the average bear:-) and probably definitely picks up on it) this can definitely contribute. However, I refuse to let anybody use it as an excuse. I know too many people that work with too many different types of disorders etc to let them get away with using it as an excuse. 

Shasta,  Thank you very much for  your explaination. I was just wondering if this could add  to the problem. I'm glad to hear shes going to a training, I hope this helps.

The OPs bad attitude is a much worse problem than her bipolar disorder.  "You can't fix stupid".