HELP with AKC - Page 6

Czech DDR Lover, sorry about you getting screwed. No one wants to get screwed. As far as Carloyn slandering Kim publicly was not the original post. It was aking for help on any ideas on how to get papers from A breeder. Never mentioned Kim or her kennel. KIM came online and said it was her and her kennel. I'm not going to go back and forth here. Hopefully everything will get worked out.

  Mark

www.ultimatekanine.com

Wow, it looks like the breeder owns his costumer some money. I don't care who screw over the breeder, you didn't fulfil your own contract. I would def. never buy a dog from you. The worst part is you actually think that you are in right. lol some people got balls.

Thank you for your response Mark, and I understand that she hadn't yet named Kim...but the implicatioin was there and so Kim has the right to set the record straight to protect her reputation.

If infact Daniela is trying to offer Carolyn advice and help on how she can get the breeder (Kim) to provide papers to her, then since Daniela was in fact listed as owner on the paperwork for Nando when the dog came into the US, and also at the time the mating occured before she wrongly transferred him over to Jonathan, and since she is "trying to help Carolyn get this litter registered" so her pup can get papers, wouldn't the simplest thing be for DANIELA to sign off on the litter as stud owner at time of mating?  She could easily do this with out any further problems to you.

This would also be the right thing for her to do.  There are many things which can prevent the breeder of a litter to have difficulty with a foreign registration and special litter application.  It is nearly impossible when the person who acted as agent for this dog refuses to do her rightful duty in finalizing the transaction and transfer paperwork immediately and correctly. 
Why not ask Daniela to sign off on this litter as stud owner?
Problem solved.

Well Kim has the right to set the record straight according to her point of view. Just because she says something doesn't mean it's the truth. It's obvious you are friends with kim so of course you will back her. But that's not the problem here. Bottom line is Carolyn does not have papers on a dog she paid $1,800 for and it's not Carolyns fault. If Daniela has such a bad reputation in the dog world why would Kim do business with her in the first place. I'm not protecting Daniela. I never spoke to the woman. From what i hear she sounds like a nut. Which is no suprise cause there are a lot of nuts in the dog world. it is to our understand that Daniela was the registered name on the papers when the dog first came here. But the name on the registration has changed ownership to the officer. That is our understanding. Supposedly the officer recently registered the dog in his name through AKC. Is there a way to check that?

   Mark

www.ultimatekanine.com

Thanks everyone for your help.

I will now let the AKC figure it out and the legal system.

I dont know DH I contacted her once as she was the last listed owner of the stud with the SV. According to the AKC there a totally different person listed as the owner on the papers of NANDO.  I spoke to him and there is so much hate and anger between these 3 I dont even want to go there.

Like many of you here I work a fulltime job,  have a house with 3 working dogs, oh I am sorry as of yesterday 1 is a pet and we often take in customers dogs for training and to be titled.  Not a trainer just help my bf with his business and work my own.

Dont have time for this...had a question and got lots of great help.

PS - I do have a clause in my contract that says if the bitch is not titled to atleast a SCH1 and has an OFA stamp it will be deemed a pet and have limited registration.  All for that dont think anyone should breed untitled bitches.

HOWEVER, no where in there does it say that I would have to compete with my dog as a mixed breed and be bent over a chair and screwed by my breeder.

If you would like to believe Kim is perpetual victim so be it. I am sure I will end up on her hater page.

You know what they say about fighting on a blog.

Good Luck to all of you....

Breeder is in wrong here, every one with some brains and some guts will point that out. Breeders issues should not be shared with a buyer. Who give a s... that she has a problem getting the papers, she did not fulfil her obligation as a breeder, she should be the one appligizing to the customer not slamming her, some people have guts. I will def make sure never get a dog from that breeder, or make sure that any one that I know won't do business with her. Breeder should give at least 50% of the money back to the customer for not fulfilling her obligation, but hold on we know what this is all about money for that breeder are more improtant, once in her packet they never leave. And she comes out here trying to look like she is the one that being scam!!!!! Please no one should buy into this b/s just because you can't get the papers because of your bad deal you should not cary it over on your customers, it's just shows that you are no better than the person that screw you over.

snaiper69

In most cases yes you are correct, the breeder should be the one responsible for getting the paperwork taken care of...

However, the stud owner also has responsibilities and legal obligations for matings said stud dog performs as well. 

This case is extremely complicated and you do not have NEARLY all the additional facts in this case. 

 Are you not getting that the person Carolyn is being advised by to get her papers from the seller Kim was the importer and agent of the sale transaction for the stud dog in question? That  she wrote in her name as owner of this stud dog and is the one responsible for the ownership transfer of this dog to Kim? That she stated paperwork transfer was being completed for her ownership transfer from time of his importation, but instead later  turned him over to Jonathan Richards?  And that by so doing DH knowingly prevented Kim from getting any litters registered which were conceived before the transfer of ownership on the stud to Jonathan.. unless SHE herself signed off on the litters? 

Kim has NO control over a situation like that.  This is unethical and fraudulent business dealings on the part of Daniela Huppe, with tranasfer of ownership (on papers only) done WAY after the dog was imported. Jonathan has no rightful claim to this dog, he has never seen nor had possession of this dog.  Nando has been with Kim from day one.
DH provides false information to AKC and the SV about this transaction and the "out of the blue" transfer over to Jonathan.... and that is why the seller is having difficulty in getting her litter completed.  
Kim continues to work closely with AKC and the SV on this matter.   The seller Kim has nothing to hide. 

On the flip side, importer and agent of sale DH, who is a frequent poster to threads and advertiser of her sales dogs on this very site (who you may not recognize her due to your recent join date to this forum...) has been suspiciously silent on this matter.  I myself haven't heard from her since she blatently told my states' Attorney General's Office in response to the fraud claiim I filed against her that "they are wasting her time by her having to correspond with them about this frivolous matter" when they sent her a written letter requesting that she send me the pink papers promised me with the purchase of her "breeding dog"...and YES>>>I have this in writing in my rather large file on DH>>in my transaction with this seller/agent/scammer DH, she pocketed a clean $ 5,940.00 USD from me and I have never heard from her again. 

Are you GETTING IT NOW?

 

I believe Carolyn probably had no idea about any of that when she was being given advice from Daniela about how to proceed. 

I truly hope Carolyn is planning a different tact on how to proceed from here in order to get her paperwork, both through AKC as pertains to her grievance claim about this transaction and with Daniela herself in requesting her to sign over on the litter...after all DH was the one listed as stud owner at the time of the matings and assured Kim all the while that his paperwork would be forthcoming .  That is really all that would be required here to get these papers.
 
Unfortunately I don't believe Daniela has the business ethics to simply do what is right here. 

The seller Kim has also lodged a grience with AKC over this matter..Kim has won this case in court and should have received proper paperwork with ownership dated as of the time he arrived to her on Nando, as she has owned the dog and still owns the dog from before these litters were conceived.  There was no reason that Jonathan Richards should have ever been on these papers ...I state again...this was solely a ploy by Daniela Huppe because she was being taken to court...(and one which is very well used by her) to stop Kim from being able to get the pups registered and amounts to nothing more than blackmail by DH in order to get what she wants.  It is the deliberate and often used MO by Daniela Huppe.  Read the signs here...this is not a deal gone bad by the seller...it is a SCAM by the agent of the sale and THESE are the ones we ALL need to try to get out there onto the Internet...to warn and protect other buyers...
not bash a seller who has and continues to, in good faith, obtain these papers for her client. 

snaiper69

RE: Breeder is in wrong here, every one with some brains and some guts will point that out. Breeders issues should not be shared with a buyer.

You are exactly correct here as well...these issues were NOT shared with her buyer until the s#*@ hit the fan with Daniela and she had been exposed to Kim as the scammer she was. 

From the time of the puppy sale to Carolyn, Kim had no reason to believe there would be any problems with the papers on the stud she had in her possession and which she used for this breeding...

It is very common that paperwork often takes quite some time with foreign registration transfer of ownership over to AKC, and breeders commonly will do matings on these imported dogs rather than wait the sometimes long periods involved until papers are recieved.  Many times breedings are done in Europe with the dogs they purchase...always with the promise of papers coming after the dog arrives...this is Not uncommon...and Kim had no reason to imagine at that time of any of the Nando matings that there would be any problem with her litters..