A END OF THE COMMON SENSE AND GOOD DOGS. - Page 6

the expectation that she will be hard, aggressive, self assured and just plain nasty. Then I will breed her to something harder then that. What do I hope to get?  Some real nasty dogs

Good God.
Paul, you are the reason that laws will be brought in that will see the demise of the GSD and other working dogs. Protection and bitework will be banned because of people like you, and the true and correct character will be destroyed to be replaced with the one that you are misguidedly apparently trying to achieve and which will be the one the general public sees and reads about in the newspapers.   You really need to get out of the breed............please.

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paul agression is certainly not a disired trademark to go select a dog, most agression comes from insecurity of the dog (i'm gonna hurt you before you can hurt me) if a dog shows unwanted agression here he goes back to were he came from, first quallity in every dog schould be a stable,healthy dog question is what people consider a stable dog
for me
a stable dog will never show agression towards anybody while on leasch unless it's orderd by he's handler, never show agression towards puppy's-children up until the age of 10-12 years believe me they know when puberty sets in
defend whats "his" whit he's life if neceserry charging a gate when somebody passes by or go crazy when somebody passes by the car i don't considder necessary, if they touch the car or try to climbe the fence then and only than agression is called for and than the agression schould be rutheless
​and never raise the hair on their back or neck, if they do there want to show bigger than they really are, you only want to look bigger and stronger when you fear the one in front of you
if the dog can snap out of his "agression mode" back into "normal mode" in a minute whitout a handler next to them for me you have a good one, if they stay nervous after the event for a longer period than that i question their nerves
for myself those 2 things are the easiest way to see if it's nervous-fear based agression/dominant agression
​dominant agression is the one we all seek in service dogs to bad most service dog's (95% i think) have more "trainned" agression and that type is always based on nerves or fear
it's an never ending search for those type of dogs

a stable dog will never show agression towards anybody while on leasch unless it's orderd by he's handler, never show agression towards puppy's-children up until the age of 10-12 years believe me they know when puberty sets in

That is a universal statement that I disagree with.  On the whole, kyto I do agree with you, but I disagree with your assumption that a stable dog would never be aggressive to a puppy or a child or anyone while on leash unless ordered by it's handler.

Kyto: "...maybe workingdogpeople schould start their own international organisation whithout all thr political bullschit, issue own pedigree's and titles, but i fear that will be impossible..."
This wouldn´t help against law, the "political bullshit" in this case isn´t made within the clubs but within the law of the countries.

About your statement above ( puppies and children ) - I´m with Slam. i really hope you don´t have to learn this lesson the hard way...

by Slamdunc on 04 April 2013 - 14:02	Slamdunc Posts: 4303 Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:46 am
a stable dog will never show agression towards anybody while on leasch unless it's orderd by he's handler, never show agression towards puppy's-children up until the age of 10-12 years believe me they know when puberty sets in That is a universal statement that I disagree with.  On the whole, kyto I do agree with you, but I disagree with your assumption that a stable dog would never be aggressive to a puppy or a child or anyone while on leash unless ordered by it's handler.
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 I agree 110% with Jim. WOW!!!
Hans

Abby Normal hard aggressive dogs are not the problem. I, for example, can handle and control any dog with any aggression or at least in 44 years of training dogs I was always able to do so. Thus who wakes up in the morning and decides to tell me, or to anybody for that matter,  that I can not have such dog if I want to?! The problem is in people who feel that they need to control others. Problem is that such type of an attitude of  forwarding of agendas by forcing others to do others what some schmuck thinks is right. Problem is in people not respecting other people's Liberty. Problem is that these type of  people do not love Liberty and yes despise it,  they want people to march to the same drummer-THEIRS!
It is a nature of the human beast, and beast it is. 
Prager Hans 

Hans,
I'm not surprised!  LOL  

exactly as i said, everybody has a diffrent opinion about what they consider stable dogs

Hhhmmmmmn ...
Being as how every litter of pups can contain some dogs with
different temperments from what their breeder is aiming for,
isn't there a bit of a problem with what Hans et al  are saying
about the 'liberty' to have the hardest dogs available ?  Won't
some dogs almost always end up in the wrong hands, and
thus become a problem ?  [And where that problem manifests
itself as eg the maiming of children, doesn't that become a
problem for ALL of us ?]
 
Plus - 44 years is a long time, will you still be physically, and
mentally, able to have that control in another 15 ?


But anyway, how did this thred metaphorphasise into the
PRODUCTION of 'hard' dogs from one about whether e collars
should be banned ?