P.E.T. G.S.D - Page 7

Do Right

Do Right:  Honestly, after reading your crude initial statement, I din't bother to read anything else you wrote.  I won't be reading any of your posts in the future either, so don't bother talking to me. 

Again, all of you are so happy with ruining the temperment of the true GSD, why not stay with the American Show Shepherds you've already screwed them up. 

You pet & BYB breeders are all the same, you are trying to justify riding on the coat tails of the honorable breeders.  We see right through you.

I would tell you how classy you are sue, but you ain't reading this, so I won't.  Goodbye and keep training them there dawgs.  I was gonna do a search and pull up some of the stories about those schutzhund dogs biting people for real, like the guy that was jogging and got bit by the same Sch III dog twice, in the park and related his sotry on this web site, but I won't bother, as you ain't here anymore.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/138769.html#139153

Real good guy, huh?

I dont breed much, but when I do, I realise that the majority of puppies that I breed will end up in a "pet" home. They will be companions and couch potatoes and if I've sold the concept right, they might get out to obedience classes once in a while (we cant officially do SchH in Australia, so we wont go there!) They will have to spend 8-10 hours a day at home by themselves relaxed or asleep without barking all day and they cant be raving lunatics when their family comes home. They cant spend their lives digging holes or ripping up the washing or chewing the furniture.

So, while I will select a stud dog to compliment my bitch, hoping to breed the next National winner in that litter, I also select for temperament - the type of temperament that helps to keep a dog in a pet home and not booted out to a shelter because they are uncontrollable.

I used to see it all the time in Siberian Huskys, where there are 2 types also - show and sledding. The show cast-offs generally made great pets but the slowest sled dogs were still far too high maintenance for your average family - too hyper and destructive and noisy, you just could NOT give these dogs enough exercise to keep them from going stir crazy. These dogs were constantly coming through Rescue. I never want to breed that in my GSD litters.

Any litter I breed will be with the dual objectives of outstanding GSD conformation AND a dog that anyone can live with, while still being a Shepherd, not a Labrador. If I produce great pets as part of my showing goals, that makes me VERY happy . And because I usually keep something from each of my litters, I ALSO have to live with them, and when I get home at night after work, I'm just another "pet" person.

animules----thank you....

yes, i think boss hass very good nerves, you gotta to live in this household!...lol

but i also think it works both ways....the owner has to have good nerves too...any good dog can be ruined by a stressed out owner...if my hubby was responsiable for boss he would prob be a nervous wreck.....but me on the other hand, i understand when the dog does something wrong, its usually my fault in the first place..the kitchen table gets chewed, i shoulda remembered to get a new chew toy...he runs around the house going nuts, i should'a walked him earlier...he shits on the floor, i shoulda let him out on time......

its like having a baby, most people are thinking about all the fun stuff and not realizing how hard it is...you can't scream or hit a baby everytime it poos in its diaper...of course it will grow up with problems if you do......the only difference is, when the baby stresses the parents out, they go drop him off at maw-maws for a while....the dog gets dropped off at a shelter...

as far as I can tell its simple.  If you don't want a dog with the drive or energy of a HEARDING dog like a GSD, then don't get one.  If you want to dumb everything down so "everyone" can live with one, then you're not breeding GSD's, just dogs that look like them. 

Isn't it amazing how the human race can rationalize anything.  I mean there are plenty of good honest people on here that are so oblivious to the fact that they openly want to help destroy the life's work of many people, and make up all sorts of "rational" excuses on why what they are doing is right.

zdog,   standing ovation!!!!! 

Bucko, I think I like your sentiments as stated in the 1st reply.

Frankly, I think people should be careful what they call "crap".  I'm sorry, but when I see a clique form that decided somehow that a back meant for immediate acceleration and full gallop is good for a "flying trot", I am absolutely sure that they are not all about making the breed the best it can be, but rather what some leader thought is pretty or stronger.

I've seen a bit of dog people, and I think far too often, those involved in only 1 breed or even type cannot see the forest for the trees.

We worry so much about "what's a good GS", we ignore the more important question of "what's a good DOG".

I've said many times I'll bet half the "pet" "crap" GS dogs in this world could outrun, outgun, outlive the types created by cliques in America and Europe by people very neurotic about their dogs.

"It's all been very nicely laid out by the SV, why not check that out?  If you did, you would find there is a lot more to it than schutzhund titles."

Please, someone tell me, why the obsession with schutzhund (really, the ATTACK portion; people seem to care little about straight obedience and tracking)?  The dog was originally meant to be a herder - hence the name.

I know von Stephanitz changed tactics because he was going with the times to keep his dog alive, but think:  how did these "mere" herders make such good police/MIL dogs in those days that they made public dog service work a boom?  Surely they weren't overwrought on "drive" and "aggression" (and I feel positive the reputation of GS lies more with the deliberate breeding for "hardness" than from "popularity" breeding; else every popular dog would have "aggression" problems) to start doing that work.  Why not force dogs to get the HGH degree also to make it more versatile?  I fear many of the SchH dogs would be too aggressive and maybe hunt down the sheep and kill them.  Thus, straying from the original idea.

This is also the dog that virtually invented search/rescue and BLIND guiding!  A VERSATILE dog who didn't NEED aggression and hardness to do all these things - and all those things came out of the early dogs much more grounded in herding than attack.  Our GS are supposed to be versatile.  I have to wonder how truly versatile alot of these "great" lines are.