Shiloh Shepherds? - Page 7

Vom Marischal, I said I am saddened by what has happened to the structure of MANY of the dogs, not ALL. Yes, I agree with you 100% about the working line dogs and there are also still some German showline dogs that are not extreme in structure that I like very much. I am still a GSD lover and always will be.  I did not say GSDs were designer dogs- i am sorry it came across that way because that is absolutely not true- again I agree 100% with you. I just said that the first GSDs were mixes, like any other breed in the early stages, before an actual breeding program was established. Max had a plan and he went with it, but it took a quite a number of years for him to achieve the "perfect" GSD.

Sarabella, Shiloh people didn't start this thread. I would never start a thread about the Shiloh here- I like peace and harmony too much.   I don't need for you to like the Shiloh. I know you probably never will and that is ok, but I still feel there are a lot misunderstandings regarding these dogs and it is hard for me sit back and not respond to the misinformation.

Rik,  Again, the Shiloh is NOT a GSD.  


Yoshi, 100 years ago all dogs were bred to work in one way or another. Dogs had to earn their keep. Today life is different. The majority of dog breeds no longer do what they were originally developed to do, largely because the average dog owner wants a good family pet- not something to guard livestock, hunt, herd or kill, etc. The GSD is one of the few breeds that has maintained it's working ability thanks to the SV, the sport of Schutzhund and responsible breeders. I am very thankful to all of you out there who try so hard to maintain the integrity of the GSD breed.  

It is my understanding the Shiloh is being developed as a dog that will have the characteristics to be a good companion dog, service dog or therapy dog. I can't tell you how many people I have spoken to who have German Shepherds, but didn't realize what they were getting into. Most GSDs (except possibly American line GSDs) need a job. A Shiloh is a great alternative for the average family/individual who likes the shepherd look, intelligence and loyalty, but doesn't have the time or desire to work with a high energy, high drive dog. Shilohs are more laid back. Also, due to their size and intelligence they make excellent service dogs. I hope this answers your question.

Wrestleman,  Both of my GSD and my Shiloh are rescues :) As far as the GSd world is concerned, they are not anything to write home about, but I love them and wouldn't give them up for anything. They are both wonderful therpay dogs and I get a lot joy sharing them with others.

I am not going to say anymore as I am  not here to make enemies. Even if you don't like my Shiloh or the Shiloh breed I still love the GSD and always will.

The best to all,
Char

 

 maremma   + yorkie= yorkiemarmm

Sarabella, I demand a picture of the product!!!!! 

Well said Char.   Yes, I'm sure the GSD could have been classified as a "Mutt" during its development into an established Breed -- various sheep herding dogs were bred and culled -- there was also a lot of inbreeding -- the GSD wasn't "created" overnight.  

My favorite large dog will always be the GSD -- but I would love to own a Shiloh also.

Starrchar,

So if I understand you correctly this combo was established in order to provide people with another companion, service, or therapy dog. I am not attacking you simply asking and inquiring.

How many active service dogs have been created from this mixture? when i say service dog i mean dogs that have passed public access testing, and are in the service of a handler whom truely requires assistance such as imobilized persons-level 1 diabetics- blind- etc........       Im curious because as I have researched the labradoodle and it was supposed to take on this same role. however I have only ever heard of less than a handfull to date that had what it took to be a service dog. In 21 years i only heard of three that held up as service dogs. So this is why i ask because 3 out of 1000's of dogs isnt a good %. I would also like to ask- if the original purpose was to dimish drive, energy, etc..... where is the workability required for service work?

You also clearly state breeds of the modern day have diminished working ability due to the fact they are no longer used for there original intended purposes. I couldnt agree more and its a crying shame. However there are still a percentage in a multitude of breeds whom still work there dogs in gun dogs, retrievers, and multi purpose dogs. But far less than before im sure. However I feel that this is why it is our duty as working dog enthusiasts to maintain the working stock and not dilute it into something else for the soft political world we have today. IMO if a person cannot handle the working ability, drive, energy level, mentality, etc...... of a certain breed they should look for another. Breeders shouldnt be indulging the desire for designer breeds. It simply implies a person is out for $$$.  There are many breeds out there- low drive non working/cull GSD's- whom need family and pet homes. As well as many other working breeds and non working can provide pet dogs. Why should we start mixing blood to obtain a pet when shelters are full and many other bred dogs(health certified) are not wanted dew too the dog lacking ability to work?

I would like to also ask what is the going rate for an Tina/ISSR registered Shiloh pup/adolescent dog?

Honestly i have began to look the other way on the designer breeds of the modern day- but i cant help but become irritated when dog comes in for training that you can tell are geneticaly predispositioned to be flakes. pure bred or mutt. why anyone would want to cross something with a poodle is beyond me. Yet to see any modern poodles hold up in the field. this leads into my next question- So why would someone want to make this cross for a Shiloh? and request it to be a registered breed? 





 

 

 

Yoshy, you obviously missed this link: www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/360366.html

I can name three Shiloh service dogs off the top of my head. And that's just people who post regularly on the Shiloh forum! I know there are others, and also an even larger number of Shiloh therapy dogs. Unfortunately, one of the SD owners, a disabled vet, had to have his dog euthanized because he couldn't afford to pay the emergency clinic up front when the dog bloated. Donations from ISSR members are going to cover the cost of training a replacement for him. The puppy was donated free of charge.

Ranger Tom has three Shilohs that accompany him as he patrols the national parks in his area. They are trained in SAR.

A Shiloh named Gandalf rescued a cub scout that was lost in the wilderness a couple of years ago.

My friend Sarah is developing a dance routine with Nero. Given the differences in height, this has been a real challenge for the two of them...

Many Shilohs have passed the HIC test.

And I know of a least one ISSR dog that is in the process of being trained for schutzhund!

And then there's Shakti...  shaktishiloh.webs.com/portfolio.htm#304502441

if someone received a "shiloh" from a rescue,  how do you know that it is actually a shiloh?  from Tina Barber's breeding, being she thinks she's the only one who can produce and actual shiloh (you would think these were the mythical unicorns of the dog world)lol.

still, glorified, over priced mutts. you seen the price of other shepherd mixes, being called designer breeds by their stay at home, housewife breeders?  I've seen gsd/pyr/ ? cross on puppyfind for 800+,  this "designer breed" rage the country has come under is just a load of BS.  tell anyone something is special or rare and they'll pay anything for it.

boxer +poodle =boxernoodlenoodlepoodle

Bulldog + Shitzu  = BULLSHIT (like most designer breeds)..........a little "ha ha" seems to be needed..

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/pet/1757882254.html
here ya go
labradoodle/goldendoodle pups $1500