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by steve1 on 29 September 2010 - 16:09
No' i have not misunderstood what has been said on various posts, i also said regarding Pets not being Joint Certified was not so bad but i also said some pet owners still breed with there pet Dogs
Most Guys on here know that i am talking about the ones who are Breeders and of those Breeders who do not believe in getting there Breeding Dogs Joints Certified that is what i am talking about, Not an old Family pet.
But who cares let us all forget the Joints and Breed Surveys, why do we waste our Time, Effort, and Money making sure all is correct before using a Dog for Breeding hoping to better the breed or at least keep it stable,
It certainly is changing my views on it if this is what Breeding of Dogs mean just for Money, I may as well join the bandwagon with one of mine on her next heat. Get her into Pup and make some Cash and Bugger all else, think the same way as some on here do i will be better off for it
Steve1,
by steve1 on 29 September 2010 - 16:09
You are a liar, You quoted part of my post in blue lettering and within that post i say i have written a Book and that i write a monthly article for a big paper.
Then you say it is hard for you to believe, so in that respect you are calling me a Liar and of making untrue statements,
So you are not man enough to follow it through you start something then welsh out, Yes, i have met many like you in my life.
Strange when you could have earned 5000 dollars for a couple of phone calls if you were right,
No' Mate it is the bloody thought of passing over the 1000 Dollars to a childrens charity that slowed you down.
No matter what you say in your posts the difference between me to you is this, I am an honourable person and stick to what i say and do and i will back it up to the end and that is the way to live your life, but you are the very opposite.
Steve1
by crhuerta on 29 September 2010 - 17:09
Certification of breeding dogs is the bare minimum a breeder should do....many agree and practice such.
One could also debate that all dogs (intended for breeding) pass a basic suitability test....and that "topic" opens a whole different can of worms...loaded with opinions & controversy.
Then you have the Show Line -vs- Working Line ideals & opinions.....the list goes on and on...
Some of us compete in venues that others deem ridiculous....ie...Schutzhund, Conformation, Herding...whatever...
There are many breeders that sell their puppies (not intended for future breeding prospects) with limited AKC registration...it is one way to assist "regulation" on future litters.
Many also stipulate in their written contracts, that dogs must be certified... for warranty coverage of these contracts.
I can understand the "passion" that is displayed with many posters (including myself)....especially when one thinks their voice falls on deaf or ignorant ears......but becoming hostile in one's posts, does not get one's point across any clearer.....
just my observation.....
Robin
by Pharaoh on 29 September 2010 - 17:09
The lines are blurred between pet and breeding stock.
My first two shepherds had prelimmed hips and elbows and then final OFA. I did not prelim Pharaoh. The day after his second birthday, I took him for hip and elbow xryays and sent them in for OFA.
I liked the East German system where the dog was not registered until passing hip scoring. All the information was open records. Then, everybody knows where they stand and what the history is. Let the chips fall where they may. It did result in a huge improvement of hips.
I also liked the system of numbers to describe the temperament issues and aspects. It made it easier for knowing what was likely in combinations.
Michele
by steve1 on 29 September 2010 - 18:09
Yes, and as you say you are a Pet Owner just as i am myself, In 60 years of owning Dogs i have never bred a Litter of Pups.
However you did get your Dogs Joints checked, Kudos to you for doing it,
It is the self acclaimed Breeders who scorn the Practise that i am against, and i have no time for them as reponsible Dog Owners
Steve1
by Equalizer on 29 September 2010 - 18:09
Then you say it is hard for you to believe, so in that respect you are calling me a Liar and of making untrue statements,"
Let's review the specific part of your quote to which I responded; shall we?
"The Editor has never put a red line through any of them or corrected them in any way..."
I responded that that statement is hard to believe and I stand by that assertion. The rest of your post is tripe and unworthy of further comment.
by yellowrose of Texas on 29 September 2010 - 18:09
THE agreed formula of doing both hips and elbows is a must ..BUT either does not tell me or guarantee any breeder anywhere in the usa or world that the pups bred from both parents of both dual certification will or can have a litter of pups of same quality...
I know very well , as my male I bought from one top contender bred to another top line of same certifiaction had bad non passing hips...and that top contender never honoured the contract that was sold and signed and given on that breeding
So all can get off the soap box...No one I see here today posting, needs all the sermons preached here. We all know what is done and what the outcome CAN BE regardless of passing hips and passing elbows....IT does not mean you get the same in a litter born to that pair.
NOR will I post another word.
End of my opinion. The rest of you can hash it out and give your opinions factual or otherwise , just keep it civil..so the moderators do not delete .
YR
by nonacona60 on 29 September 2010 - 18:09
It is the self acclaimed Breeders who scorn the Practise that i am against, and i have no time for them as reponsible Dog Owners
Steve1
For someone who has no time for what he proclaims, he sure is giving alot of attention to the matter....
What is the terminology used to describe a breeder who breeds two OFA parents and does produce bad hips, but continues to breed same OFA'd dogs because they do produce some puppies that certify? Is this considered a responsible breeder? A thought to ponder......
Wonder what the old guy has to say about that thought? Thats right, he doesn't read my post...Could it be he reads them but has no grounds to prove me wrong.....
by crhuerta on 29 September 2010 - 18:09
I also do not engage in.. "do as I say, not as I do"...and sermon to no one.
Sorry...wrong tree..no need to bark.
by steve1 on 29 September 2010 - 20:09
You Mate' are a cop out merchant, All Wind but no substance Not worthy of further comment a Man you are not
Steve1
Nona
You are the worst type of German Shepherd Owner i have ever come across, so make of that what you will
Steve1
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