Dog sold as titled dog for breeding, judge for yourself - Page 7

 Right now it would be best to see what "ransom" is required to get the dog to some other place than where she is, without paying Molly $3500 dollars.

Ha.  Good luck.  Molly's former (or maybe still current) business model was to import pregnant bitches for $10k (at least that was her claim) and sell the puppies.  She kept them for brood bitches, and they weren't worked again, unless they hadn't had their lifetime koer yet.  And even then, the plan was only to work them right before their koer.  Guess that model isn't working out so well for her anymore.

 

I don't see fraud in the classical sense- I think someone relatively ignorant (and maybe even stupid) got in over their heads and dear, benevolent Molly decided to rush to her aid (and make a buck while she's at it!). After all, we know Molly has helped countless precious little doggies "rehab" and become adoptable.  Molly thought she could make this dog LOOK ok, then breed it, then after a month of treating the dog like any dog at any county pound would be treated, she realized she couldn't, got pissed off that she WILLINGLY paid $3500 for a dog she had seen with her own eyes when she picked her up, so she posted that video as revenge. Apparently, she got so over-zealous in trying to make Christina look bad (who, btw, if you look at her FB page you can see she's no expert on GSDs and that Molly should've known she could not take her word at face value whether a bitch was breeding quality or not) that she forgot to clean the definitely-more-than-one-day's worth of shit off her own floor!  Whoopsie! 

Something tells me if that dog wasn't so cheap, she wouldn't have been "rescued" by Molly. Christina probably thought it was a good solution- Molly is a breed warden, has oodles of experience, and is far more capable than she is of handling and deciding how to dispose of a difficult dog. 

I'm not convinced the dog is half as bad, genetically, as it appears. The dog is old enough to have quite a book to write about life experiences, and while I wouldn't chance it and breed her, I cannot say that in her previous, stable, KIND environments, she would've given this impression, so her previous owners may therefore be excused from part of the blame. If they never saw it, they never saw it. That makes it ignorance, and a lack of proper testing for environmental stability, not fraud.

Molly set out to make her look bad. She knew how to do it; Molly knows a thing or two about dogs. As Betty said, Molly is the expert here.  The dog doesn't like or trust Molly or both (seems she has a few things in common with some other folks) and may very well have good reason to show that apprehension about Molly coming into her kennel, her only familiar area, the place where she's lived for a month since coming to this chaotic place. It's like your bedroom, the place that's supposed to be safe, when everything else in in turmoil. I know I would probably shit myself if Molly crawled into my bedroom.  

 

Amanda, I think most people here are very well aware of the entire situation but there's really nothing anyone here can do regarding Molly vs. Christine.  Yeah, she got scammed and this Christine person is a poor breeder (on her web site it says you have to pay a fee to actually meet her or her dogs?!), but I think Molly should have known better.  A really nice WGSL brood bitch with legit titles and a great temperament for $3500?  I'm not a breeder and even I know that number is probably missing a digit.  The only being I'm really concerned for at this point is the dog.  No one is saying she's really breeding quality or even defending the supposed titles but she is still a dog and need someone who is willing to work with her for who she is.  Sorry I don't really care who ends up with the $3500.  Sell two more puppies and there's the $3500 back and then some...

Well, the thing is, for me it feels like enabling a very bad behavior. There is a pattern. If you think the answer is for another breeder to step up, buy (rescue?) the dog (from a breeder/rescuer... what irony there), and breed her to recoup their costs, then I hope you do what you can do.

I am no expert but common sense dictates that for a soft dog (if that is what she truly is) 1 month in a kennel with other barking dogs and no human to "lean" on is detremental...GSD's are known to Velcro themselves to humans...a soft dog who is insecure, in a new location, with new human, probably on a new food will make things look a lot worse than they really are...hell when i adopted my dog from humane society i though i was adopting (more like saving a poor thing) grey/black, really short hair, insecure, soft dog who would hide under a bench, walked on a leash low to the ground constantly looking back and around (she has been in there for 6 weeks before we adopted her)....what i ended up with a secure alpha dog who is running the pack....stress of being in a kennel, bad food, no human interaction was a result of her avoiding everyone and everything....and she is not a soft dog as we assumed when we got her...all she needed was a reason and a purpose...the dog in a video has neither her "own" space, not her "own" human hence no reason to be a protective dog that she was trained to be and now she is being corralled in a small yard without a reason or a purpose or clear commands....thats just my 2 cents...based on video observation and personal experience...

Did it ever dawn on anyone that the dog simply doesn't like Molly.....................
Just a thought..........................




 I was wondering the same thing Bee.

Did it ever dawn on anyone that the dog simply doesn't like Molly

I'm sure several have considered it, lol

why doesn't this thread come up in "latest posts"  

or is it just me?

Probably because it's a sticky now.