Who objects to this dog being bred? - Page 8

Gustav, sorry if I sounded like a GSD breeder, I am not.  Another working breed and I only show at AKC shows...yikes!!  Love the breed, it's the only one I will ever own now.

I agree that some of the SV rules  don't make a lot of sense. Pink papered dogs cost more and are touted as the ultimate, but the only advantage to having pink instead of white is that the pink papered dog is eligible to compete for a Va? A dog with a defect per the SV is eligible for a breed survey, just not a KKL rating, but that dog's puppies can still be registered with white papers issued and then they can also be bred and shown? Midnight titles - true or false? Breeding GSD's is not easy and I think I'll do the breed a big favor and not think about buying a brood bitch .

Thanks for your prospective on this topic.

BTW novices drive me nuts too. Just spent/wasted about 6 hours on someone I met on this board lining up area mentors and kennel visits. Now she has disappeared .

Daniella, Daniella. I first of all I do not object to this dog in anyway except if I wanted Aly blood why would I go to a dog who at the very baseline of breeding has a disqualifying fault... Great dog great trial results great looking...  But lets put this into perspective and try to get out of this gray area you are pulling this thread into...

• ZB: G ( this could mean, many things) Could be missing teeth, could be too short or tall, of course the coat and maybe even 3 nuts in his sack!! 

• Baseline:
• When looking for a breeding dog at the very least I want to start with a dog that does not have any disqualifying faults.. At the very least and then go from there. Of course there is a huge amount of other things that are as or more important. But at the very least why would I start a breeding program ontop of a dog with disqualifying faults???

I think MI's post said it all "NOT Eligible".... BUT Daniella said it is ok so. 

  http://www.donnerbruecke.de/zucht/Deckpartner/kalleW.htm

Daniella as far Soldo: He at the very least does not have disqualifying faults.. And of course again there are sooo many things to look at for in a stud dog.  I don't disagree with, there are things more important than others.

Gustiv is correct it is really about what you see in a dog when you see him.

So "Screw it", we don't need breed survey's, as a matter of fact I know this dog can work and bite screw putting that title on the dog as well. What's next, oh yea the dog moves really well screw getting his hips/elbows certified I know he moves good he has great hips. So 2, 3 generations later what do we have? Panda long coats, that don't bite, with pretty yellow eyes, even though he is missing his P2 & P3 upper and has one bad hip...

"I think" his smile looks good missing the teeth, he may have a bad hip, but damn he has one good one, and trust me he is one fine dawg and should be bred.... $1,800 stud fee please... Trust me I am a German, I know what is best! How many times have we all heard that? 

Dennis Johnson

This sort of   questions shows very nice who are seriously  in breeding the GSD by SV rules  and who not , 

One other thing.  Here in the USA, it is just the minority of GSD breeders who are trying to follow the SV rules in their breeding practices.  That is a very difficult thing and expensive thing to do, considering the distances that must be traveled to SV shows, schH trials  & breed surveys to say nothing of those who also travel  back to Germany to breed their bitches to dogs/bloodlines not available in the states (artificial insemination not acceptable). 

For myself,  these are the breeders I want to support.

Dennis, excellent post.  

DON;     YOUR HI JACKING THE THREAD    DONT DO THAT     YOU HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING      jAMILLE IS THE GUARDDOG TODAY....DONT DISRUPT THE KNOWLEDGE HERE.......

Somehow we always seem to end up going down the road of titles vs no titles.....  here's a true scenario I'll run past you guys....there's someone not far from where I live that advertises he's a GSD breeder, trains, has pups ALWAYS, younger adults and sometimes an older one "trained" here and there....The parents are titled and because he advertises so much in every paper one day a friend of mine who lives out that way decided to check out what he had..... GARBAGE with a capital G.  Oh but they were "titled" so I guess that meant he should have bred these dogs that made a junk yard dog look good.

I'm with Gustav on this one as his theory makes sense and has been proven that just because a dog has titles does not mean it's a dog that should be bred.  Granted I would not pick some stranger off this board and breed my titled dog to their untitled dog without knowing what they have but then again I would not breed my dog to a TITLED dog either that I did not know much about or have seen myself. 

I think the emphasis should be placed on knowing what you want to achieve in your breeding first off before you even select a dog to breed.  Then you research, select the potential candidate, talk to people that have extensive knowledge in gentics, working dogs and LISTEN, keep an open mind.  Ask several people their input and then make your own determination if you're comfortable with the information that was set before you.  I'd factor genetics, history, health, hips/elbows before I'd zone in on just the titles.  Police, SAR, narcotics and PP folks will not pay more for a title than they will for a dog they can see first hand is stable, sound and kicks ass at work.  If you try to toss a sales pitch in there that the dogs came from titled parents they will probably say "oh , that's nice but I'm not concerned about titles". 

I don't think anyone with half a brain would buy a pup based soley on whether or not the parents were surveyed or titled - (at least I hope not)!!

I believe Don expressed his opinion, is that wrong to do now?

Sue- NOPE! Don's word is GOSPEL