Von Hunterhaus, 39 dogs seized - Page 9

I don't think anyone is saying those conditions were acceptable for dogs or humans, stacked crates or not. The attitude of the ASPCA and the speed of placements and with whom are the issue as far as I am concerned. I know about the other Dawn and she ended up getting almost half of her dogs back after the court case. Not saying either should get dogs back just noting the difference in the process.

thats the difference between the experts in the dog world and just uneducated idiots like me, the experts can rationalize the most appalling behaviour as somehow acceptable.....if an expert does it.


reminds me of that idiot from ohio a few years back (not timmy) that was big and respected (apparently) in the schutshund world, folks from all over the US dumped their dogs at his place to be trained while in reality the dogs were reduced to feeding off the piles of other dead dogs on the property left there for training and the "loving" owners all moaned that the same way as blackthorn is trying to rationalize when authoriies finally seized the lot.

they were identifying dogs by bone and skin fragments, others were sold as soon as they got their and the owners had no idea there dog was not being trained but with a new owner.

what was that idiot's name again? and WTF is in the water in the state of Ohio - seems like the worst place on earth to be a dog.

Really? That's pretty dramatic and contains an awful lot of imagination and creativity as far as lumping people all in the same basket. So, just to be clear, what "appalling behavior" is being rationalized as OK?

Christine


P.S.: As far as I know, Timothy Helser was never respected in the schutzhund world.

all anyone said was stacking crates can be acceptable, and I do agree.  Stacking crates by itself doesn't mean much.  Neither is not having food or water in the crate by itself indicitive of anything.  Owning a prong collar doesn't mean anything by itself, having 2 dogs or 10 dogs doesn't mean much by itself either.  Everyone of those situations can be perfectly normal and involve happy healthy dogs and owners, or they can involve neglected, abused, neurotic owners and dogs.  

Nobody said the conditions of THIS particular home were acceptable

No one is saying anything to rationalize Dawn's behavior. Anyone lamenting about the shame in it is merely speaking of the fact that the SPCA seems to have broken a hundred rules in their "placement" of these dogs who apparently had other owners. 

Yeah, zdog said it better. 

39 dogs were seized, and the youngest was 2 weeks. Some of the shelter photos show older puppies.

I'm thinking that a large number of the seized dogs were actually puppies from 2 to 10 or 12 weeks old.

If there were 5 litters of 6 puppies each, that would account for 30, and they the number of adult dogs would have been only 9 adults. 9 adults is managable for one person that has the facilities, time and money for it.

Having 5 litters at the same time is not ideal, its time consuming, costly and puppies wouldnt have enough attention as they matured.

I'm just saying, everyone is assuming that this person had 39 adults dogs... I don't think that's the case.

 

I agree Sitasmom, I think this entire situation reaks of inconsistent information. If there was two or three litters of puppies, that certainly doesn't support the numbers portrayed. Someone needs to ask what zoning regulations allowed for the number of acrearage they owned. Anyone who has dogs knows that if you crate them (concidering the weather conditions) and go to the mall and within 4 to 5 hours you could come home to pee and poop that would smell and give the impression of deplorable conditions.
The Ofc. Perrez saying that if she surrendered the dogs (at threat of being jailed)  that means they own them is legally questionable if she didn't own them. Even if I have an extra set of keys, I can't give you my neighbor's car or house as there are titles and deeds just as there is ownership paperwork on dogs. And immediately sending dogs out the back door to the good old boys as soon as you found out they were purebred and worth money, Good luck with that. SHAME ON THE ASPCA ORGANIZATION.
And worse yet the reporter Linsay Nielson entering a private residence (for followup after the dogs were gone) without permission would seem more like trespassing to me but I am not an sheriff or lawyer.
Again I don't condone the conditions portrayed in the channel 10 news feeds, nor do I believe this was a legal siezure and I don't believe the reporter had the right to enter private property. Many, many things that scare the bejesus out of me that it could happen to almost anyone and become a sensationalized news story within minutes. Stamped "condemned". 
It will be interesting to see how the courts deal with this entire situation. 
I have met Dawn at shows (most recently the North American Sieger Show in Bridgeport, CT). She seemed extremely sweet and loving of her dogs. Her partner Chris was prancing proudly around with his dog Dante and they seemed to genuinely have a lot of knowledge. I can only hope somehow this ends well for all concerned.
Still wondering where Chris and Dante are? Why aren't they mentioned in this situation?

"you could come home to pee and poop that would smell and give the impression of deplorable conditions"

deplorable conditions are just a perception issue???


"She seemed extremely sweet and loving of her dogs."

most dog hoarders do love their dogs/cats immensely



"it could happen to almost anyone "

that has 39 dogs stacked in crates and alledgedly increasingly isolated from their community and credit providers feeding them.

There were at least 2 litters of puppies-one 7-8 wks old and the 2 wk old litter. Also think there were a number of 6-8 month olds. I think in the end the actual number of dogs with ownership questions will be small but those owners are still entitled to their dogs. To answer your questions momma, Dante was one of the dogs seized. Don't know for a fact but I would guess that a titled impressive male like him went right out the back door to the "K-9 trainers" . As far as Chris,the article said they were looking for him for questioning as co-owner of the one property and that he had an outstanding warrant from Family Court.