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AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 08 June 2007 - 16:06

Echo I too feel as you do with the golden middle meaning the "best" in my eyes.  Since being turned on to the breed and the working lines my whole perception of what I am captured by today is far different than what got my attention before.  Before I just looked at the physical appearance of the dog to say "oh my, that's a nice dog".  Now the physical appearance is secondary to what I tend to notice when seeing dogs at a club or event.  I'm far more impressed by a dog that shows complete confidence and total stability in all situations that can turn on and off like a light switch as opposed to a pretty dog that is all show and no go.

by spook101 on 08 June 2007 - 17:06

Here we go again!

There are obviously two different camps of thought on this. Just because other peoples opinions don't agree with yours doesn't make them wrong or twisted in their thought process. IT"S THEIR OPINION, YOU MORON. You constantly step in and make such an ass of yourself. You're entitled to your opinion, but when you go on the attack because you don't agree you are displaying yourself as the KNOW NOTHING MORON you are. Tell us what 'medvet community' thinks about this since you pretend to speak with such authority. The less you write the smarter you sound.

By the way, in earlier post you posed as an animal control agent for your city and just recently admitted you were not. You make a number of contradictory statements in your post so you might want to save them so you can maintain some consistency in your lies.


4pack

by 4pack on 08 June 2007 - 17:06

I enjoyed that article also sunshine and my deffinition of the Golden middle is that of the author.

I find it funny the term brings up almost an anger in some people.  It's a term. I guess some people see it differently and there lays the problem. Rejecting the term because use it as a sales tactic is silly as well. People will use anything they can for that. It's up to the buyer to investigate these claims by looking at lines/breedings/and dogs, watch them work and see for yourself if this is truly what the breeder is breeding. I could just as easily tell you my dogs are the perfect "Golden Middle" but they are far from it. If you saw my pup you could easily see he has better than average tallent in some areas and not as much in others. He is right now a pain in the rear to work with/he fights everything. Once we get past that, if we do, things will click and we will go farther.

My next dog I will be looking for will be a little closer to the Golden Middle, easier to work with, not so extreme. The harder dog will be better for what I want from him but an easier dog will be funner to have. I'm lazy these days and want more fun, than work when it comes to my dogs.


by EchoMeadows on 08 June 2007 - 18:06

Spook101   I am THE animal control agent for the city here,  HOWEVER I am not commissioned as such.  So yes I perform the duties of AC I am the one called out for any instance regarding animals, agressive animals, animals at large, lost animals, animals in cars when people get arrested, animals left in homes,  animals reportedly being abused or neglected, yada yada yada,  I perform as an AC I am the only one here who performs the duties of an AC,  But am not commissioned as such,  However our Shelter/ entity is commissioned by the city here for AC. and I am the one who works here  so call it what you want.   Went a bit off topic didn't you ?


by spook101 on 08 June 2007 - 19:06

I got my point across. I knew you'd avoid this part:

"There are obviously two different camps of thought on this. Just because other peoples opinions don't agree with yours doesn't make them wrong or twisted in their thought process. IT"S THEIR OPINION, YOU MORON. You constantly step in and make such an ass of yourself. You're entitled to your opinion, but when you go on the attack because you don't agree you are displaying yourself as the KNOW NOTHING MORON you are. Tell us what 'medvet community' thinks about this since you pretend to speak with such authority. The less you write the smarter you sound."


4pack

by 4pack on 08 June 2007 - 19:06

Spook the only one I see attacking, is the one calling MORON! Now who is making an ass of themself? We get you hate her, now get over it and shut up! This is so Fing childish. I don't see olskool calling names. I guess some people here repsect  you and think you have worthwhile info to share but some of us wont ever get over the fact  you are rude and well for lack of a better word, an asshole. I don't candy coat crap myslef but you can try treating people with some respect. If she doesn't see things your way or take your advice life will go on. You blast her for doing the same damn thing you are! The less you post the nicer you sound. Thanks by the way for the link  to dog.com for yellow rose. See even though I can't stand you, I can "play" nice.

 


susie

by susie on 08 June 2007 - 20:06

For me "the Golden Middle" is the overall perfect dog. It´s a dog that working line people would buy because of  its working abilities and show line  people because of its structure  - the allrounder, fit, well structured and healthy, full of power, not aggressive.  After all, the dog all of us are looking for. No show line lover is against a good looking dog, that is easier to train and that would achieve the "big points" on the big trials. No working line lover would refuse to take the good looking V rated dog, if it had the afforded working abilities. Both kind of people need to be honest about their goals. Right  now  - working line dogs are bred only because of their working abilities although some of these dogs don´t fit into the standard any more. On the other hand show line dogs are bred although they lost their working abilities. THERE ARE dogs that have both, but you don´t find them in the VA ratings and you don´t find them in the top ten of the WUSV trial. It´s in the breeder´s hand to look for these dogs. But they need to be honest about their own breeding stock, often females are used for breeding that have neither working abilities nor the correct structure.  Maybe these well planned  litters out of "Golden Middle" dogs won´t be sold as fast as the litters out of champions, but on the long run the breeder and the new puppy owner will win.

Only my private opinion, came just home from training  dogs ( and it´s damned hot in Germany right now )

 

 


by EchoMeadows on 08 June 2007 - 20:06

I think if someone came up with a "Standard" definition for Golden Middle that would be close to Ajay's description it might help lessen the argument.   <------  That is not an attack,  I'm sorry I truly apologize if it came out that way,  It was not intended.

Key words in the original post were "Perception of definition"  Perception giving absolute credibility to any and all "Opinions"

I'll again apologize if my post offended anyone.


by spook101 on 08 June 2007 - 20:06

4pack, your post is rather disingenuous. Also, you lied again; you promised not to directly address me in a post. Now we know what you're words worth. I do have to commend you again, however, for avoiding bigoted comments 


4pack

by 4pack on 08 June 2007 - 20:06

Yes I have this part of me that doesn't like to take crap or see others have to take it from jerks like you. Post information people can use and leave the name calling and insults for your wife/kids/boss and whoever else "has" to take it from you. Eventually I will see you can't or wont take that bit of advice and stop posting again. Just thought I'd give it one last stab. If you call that a lie your funny. I'd be worried about far worse issues.






 


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