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Ceph, I'm not sure either why there has to be an argument about this. Some of us may choose to err on the side of caution while others may feel there is not enough hard evidence to support a genetic involvement. There is no right or wrong. If we'd spend more time considering the validity of opposing opinions and less time trying to belittle those who don't share our own philosophies about dog breeding, we might be better off in the end. I guess it takes less effort to call someone a fool than it takes to be civil and respectful. It seems that some get it in for specific posters and lie in wait to rip them a new one.

Well if you look up peter johnson he just signed up yesterday and hasn't had a positive post since. Looks like another cheesy sign in for another dip shit who likes to rile up the board. Hmm ...who else do we know who posts one liners with no information in them? Best to just skip over this guys brilliant stuff.

ROFL.....BUSTED!!!

To ask someone to prove a negative is one of the lamest tricks in the book. If you are not bothered by the fact that this study was inconclusive and uncontrolled then I can't dissauade your small, but dangerous mind. Keep spew crap and some of these folks will believe it. Hell, why not pay a witch doctor for a magic potion to protect your dog. It has as much validity as your wild-eyed speculation.

Scarecrow, please ask the Great Oz for a brain the next time you go into another fantasy world.

I still don't see where anyone is shoving things down anyones throat here. People just posting relevant info, so others can research and come to their own conclusions. If we aren't free to do that, what is the point of this board?

That's not what's being done and you know it. To infer that one has discovered how to breed bloat free dogs or that bloat can be prevented through genetics is a misrepresentation; also known as a lie. There is no simplier way of stating it. By you condoning it you become part of it. But truth has never been a barrier for you.

A smart man once said "Anger and intolerance are the twin enemeies of correct understanding."

It is important to keep an open mind on most things - an it especially important to be calm and rational when making a point because you are much more likley to sway people to your beliefs that way as opposed to name calling.  Another bit of my dad's wisdom (I am young so I am still allowed to use it) is that when people are so emotional about a belief that they resort to name caling they usually are not as solid in their belief as they appear to be.

Asking for proof is not the lamest trick in the book - and it is the best way to prevent an emotional discussion - to provide facts...What you believe in is based upon your own truth...what you believe in...but there is no conrete data supporting it just as there is no concrete data supporting what we have to say...so it is a moot point.

lol - I thought I would share one more quote that ya'll might recognize - and it is a good quote to go by when you are trying to prove a point.  "You catch more bees with honey then with vinegar."  I am young and still very inexperienced with this breed...I have only been studying them a year whereas many here have been wit GSDs 20+ years...but I have learned alot from this board...mostly from people who present their views in a logical, calm manner.

~Cate

Ok guys simmer down now.

Now that I have been on this board for awhile, I have to say while I do not like his approach, Spook does know what he is talking about allot of the time. If he changed his delivery some, he might be able to get people to listen a little better. Others would be well advised to listen more and talk less. Then there are people who are "experts" but really have no idea what they are talking about. I get frustrated allot of the time because many people look to these boards for education. While everybody can contribute their personal experiences for people to learn from, and have a right to there opinion, they often come across as being more knowledgeable than they really are.

Many people use these boards for self promotion and to sell dogs. I post allot of video because it is fun, and maybe people can watch and take something from it. I also like to demonstrate my training and quality of dogs. There is nothing wrong with that. It is people who's main motivation is selling dogs and don't offer much, that bother me. People who claim to be great people who do all these wonderful things for the dog world and the breed, yet are nothing more than 1 step up from backyard breeders. I think this was the motivation for this thread and if you notice, none of the "breeders" offered up there experience and expertise on what they are doing.

Olskools brought this up awhile ago. Many of the people out there with solid knowledge get so frustrated by people who do not listen, think they know it all, and are mainly out for self promotion, they resort to bashing and calling people out, or they just quit posting. This is a shame because then the people who are looking for guidance are left with the "blow hards" and people with knowledge and experience lose the opportunity to help others. I have to hold back allot of the time but do call out people when I think they need it or are spewing crap that can be damaging to breeds, dog sports, or lead the "newbies" in the wrong direction.

As for this topic, I am not a breeder but have trained with and been around alto of them, seen hundreds of litters develop. I am a FIRM believer in genetics and think almost everything derives from a genetic pre-disposition to some extent.

Thanks GARD. Lots of good points.

Ceph, again you take something out of context in order to prove a point.

I said, "To ask someone to prove a negative is one of the lamest tricks in the book."

You twist it by saying, "Asking for proof is not the lamest trick in the book"

There is a big difference and you know it. You continue to misrepresent in order to prove your point. You are disingeuous and a liar. Logic evades you. As far as calmness; I don't deal well with liars.

GARD, I respect a lot of what you say. You know I'm not a breeder or seller and I only deal with the most reputable people. It does weigh on me when people make statements that are misleading or untrue. You made a statement about self promoting people here to sell their dogs. I think you know where I'm coming from. I don't care who likes or dislikes how I deliver what I have to say. My concern is about the breed. My original post challenged some lame statements. It appears there are some who are willing to come to the aid of a liar because I'm the one who points out the lies, so what. If that persons statement did not appear outlandish and blatantly untruthful then God Bless you and protect you from your own ignorance.