Shiloh Shepherds - Page 10

That's how they are supposed to be, right?  Nothing to do with ANY standard written for ANY working German Shepherd breed of dog at ANY time, from Germany or anywhere else

Molly, that is correct!!  The Shiloh Shepherd is NOT a GSD!!  There are a lot of folks out there breeding GSD's and selling those pups as "shilohs" but I can't stop them!!  They do it because they want to make extra money -- not for the future benefit of the "breed" .. that's life!  They do it in the GSD camp too -- your group is focused on the SV standard -- great -- but what about all of the AKC pups born each year, and sold via your local papers??  Why don't you try to stop those BYB's instead of trying to change MY breed?  I don't call my dogs GSD's ... I try to make it very clear that they march to the tune of a different drummer!!

 

If anyone here wants to know more about MY dogs, you can join MY forum & ask the owners!!  http://www.shilohshepherds.infopop.cc/

you say your dogs are not GSD - yet you sell them by claiming they are "Old-style German Shepherd Dogs" - instead if you were truthful in your program's advertising, you would say what they really are - mixed-breed (GSD X Malamute) dogs that are bred FOR the faults NOT allowed by the "old-style" (or any other) German Shepherd standards.  I know the owners - many board their dogs here.  The latest owner of a sharp-shy, no-drive, long-coated oversized weak-temperament Shiloh just got a new one - a male (I can't put a hand on him he's so shy, just like the female) - and they are so excited about breeding him, wishing they hadn't spayed their female - want to breed more of these excellent wonderful dogs!  Makes me ill!!!

 

molly

Molly, Good for you!  You nailed it.  "you say your dogs are not GSD - yet you sell them by claiming they are "Old-style German Shepherd Dogs" - instead if you were truthful in your program's advertising, you would say what they really are - mixed-breed (GSD X Malamute)..."

That's what this whole mess is about.

Tina bred some of  her foundation dogs to a malamute.

The GS stud book offers positive proof that some of the foundation bitches Horand was bred to were wolf hybrids.

So, I guess the GSD's just a mutt too??

A mutt is a dog that is the direct result of two different breeds mating or two different mutts mating. I would hazzard to say that neither GSDs nor Shilohs fall into that catagory. The hallmark of a true mutt is that you can breed two mutts or the two "purebred" parents multiple times and in each litter end up with inconsistant animals that look like one or both parents or neither one. Silohs like GSDs produce fairly consistant type. Whether the creation of this breed was actually necessary is an entirely different debate. One could easily just find a soft tempered large long coated GSD. The point that Molly made about the whole "old style german shepherd" hoax is valid. It truly is the height of deceptive marketing. My question for Barber if she felt inclined to answer, is at what point will she deem the breed to be no longer in development and what milestone is she trying to reach that will determine that goal?

The latest owner of a sharp-shy, no-drive, long-coated oversized weak-temperament Shiloh just got a new one - a male (I can't put a hand on him he's so shy, just like the female) - and they are so excited about breeding him

Sorry, but the ISSR has very strict requirements!!  If this dog doesn't meet them, he wouldn't be allowed to breed --- unless of course he is just one of those LHGSD's that are getting passed off as 'shilohs' :>(

 

Be sure to read http://www.tinambarber.info/index.htm 

My question for Barber if she felt inclined to answer, is at what point will she deem the breed to be no longer in development and what milestone is she trying to reach that will determine that goal?

 

That's easy ... as soon as I feel that our genepool is big enough to close the stud books, and the dogs are breeding TRUE to type, as per the http://www.shilohshepherds.info/issrShilohShepherdIllustratedBreedStandardDonorsFinal.htm 

The latest owner of a sharp-shy, no-drive, long-coated oversized weak-temperament Shiloh just got a new one - a male (I can't put a hand on him he's so shy, just like the female) - and they are so excited about breeding him

 

Sorry, but the ISSR has very strict requirements!!  If this dog doesn't meet them, he wouldn't be allowed to breed --- unless of course he is just one of those LHGSD's that are getting passed off as 'shilohs' :>(

 

sorry back at'cha - but ALL of the 50 or so Shiloh "Shepherds" that I have known over the years have been shy, nervous, weak-temperament, no-drive.  Most have been long-coated and over-sized.  These people bought their dogs from a Shiloh breeder, they are "registered" Shilohs - so I assume if they decided to breed them they could.  I can't wait to see the puppies when they come back to the kennel, bet I won't be surprised at their temperaments either.

 

molly

Quote: Amazing!!  Since the ISSR breeders produce less then 300 puppies per year -- coast to coast -- that you have only met 5 & all of them had CHD?  The odds of that should be equal to winning the Lotto - 5 weeks in a row!!  WOW!!

Or did you meet dogs the were just GSD mixes, calling themselves "shilohs" YOU SHOULD READ

They were all Shilohs and all horribly displastic. From everything that I have heard none of this is unusual.

As far as GSD "mixes" that is what a Shiloh is anyway.

By the way, Lassie has just ran back from the fields to tell us that the "Shilohs" are in the well. I think we will just be staying in for lunch, and we will put Lassie in her (his) crate so the Shilohs can just go away.

These people bought their dogs from a Shiloh breeder, they are "registered" Shilohs - so I assume if they decided to breed them they could.

Anyone can print out a piece of paper!!  That does NOT mean that those dogs are REAL Shiloh Shepherds!!  Why is that so hard for you folks to understand this???  Take a look at THIS "breeder" http://www.tinambarber.info/whosIsKijsha.htm and tell me that those dogs qualify as the REAL DEAL!! <barf>