Shiloh Shepherds - Page 5

Yeah - but you cant really use Max's book as an argument about look at with this case - sure the dogs dont look that big...but the dogs in his book look unlike pretty much everything else we have nowadays.  The  WG Showlines most certainly do not...in if Mrs. Barber is that old then wow...but I highly doubt her childhood was back in the 20's when the

I was the one mentioned SAR first because the top SAR unit in my state (according the fire department in the southernmost part of my state) has two Shilohs and one of everything else...one malinois, one GSD. etc...The Shiloh's must be doing okay in SAR otherwise I wouldnt have seen them on MA/Ds site or in the news.

I started this thread to keep another one from going off topic....and since I imagined that since there were people posting both sides on that thread that they were interested in discussing it....just not in a thread that had nothing to do with the previous one.

~Cate

Thank you for starting this thread, Ceph. I've seen several people asking about Shilohs on this site, and from what's been posted, there's a lot of misinformation/misconceptions out there about the breed. Since they are descended from the GSD, and since they don't have their own forum yet, I was hoping people wouldn't mind having this thread about them.

oops - I had an head in the clouds moment - I didnt finish what I was trying to say the first time...

And if Mrs. Barber is that old then wow....but I highly doubt her childhood was back in the 20's when the dogs looked like they do in that Stephanitz's book.

And I had another one with the last sentance...sorry - lemme rewrite that  :

I started this thread to keep another one from going off topic....and I imagined that since there were people posting both sides on that thread that they were interested in discussing it....just not in a thread that had nothing to do with the Shiloh Topic.

(gosh I wish there was an edit button occasionally)

~Cate

Sunsilver, please tell Ms Barber that Yahoo offers a free service where she can start her own breed board specifically  for Shilohs.

Shilohs are no longer GSD's & I imagine Tina would be the first to agree ! 

EXACTLY!!  http://www.shilohshepherds.info/whatIsAShilohShepherd.htm

and yet you claim to be creating a breed that reminded you of the GSD's you grew up with and saw in Germany????? Right????? so in the first place, you is comparing them to GSD's????

Sunsilver, please tell Ms Barber that Yahoo offers a free service where she can start her own breed board specifically  for Shilohs.

We do have our OWN forum, with 1645 members!!  http://www.shilohshepherds.infopop.cc/ 

Your words as follows in itlalics

Do you remember a specific "German Shepherd" you used to know as a child (or if you are under 40) one that your family or friends told you about? He was the dog with that super, almost human intelligence; that big family protector that was so very gentle with little children, yet would give his life for his master without question. The dog that would walk you to the school bus, and then show up again exactly on time to wait for your return; the hero that everyone talked about; the one that seemed half human. His personality consisted of Lassie, Strongheart, and Rin Tin Tin all rolled into one.

Seems to me you're setting the stage for a story where the GSD doesn't exist anymore like it should, and playing on people's emotions that everything seemed better when they were younger compared to now.

For the past 35 years these dogs have undergone a very intense "re-creation" process started by Shiloh Shepherds™ Kennels, in New York.

Sounds to me like you're telling people that YOU are going to re-create a breed that can no longer be found.  Not willing to follow the popular fads, she insisted on breeding to the old, original type she loved so much. As time went on, things changed quickly. That big massive square bodied dog we used to refer to as a German Shepherd soon began to stretch out longer and thinner with small, fine bone.

Yet you claim that Max's book and the SV requirements have no bearing on any of this, excuse me if i'm wrong, but hasn't it been the SV that has set held the standard set forth by Max for the past 100 years or so???  Just how do you feel justified claiming that the "original" GSD was anything like your "re-creation"?  I would really love to know the answer to this one.

I'm not going to go any further, it's obvious what you've done, christ, you even name one of your downloadable "books" earily similiar to the title of Max's book on the GSD.  The German Shepherd Dog: In Word and Picture...........The Origins of the Shiloh Shepherd™ in Word and Picture..      Big stretch to see where you're influence was in coming up with that title

The rest of what you get into doesn't even deserve a response.  You didn't "re-create" anything, the working GSD has been around forever and you assesment of them is pretty much crap.  But it is a valuable asset in your list of "excuses" to _"re-create" a breed.  I'll give you the assesment on the american line GSD,  but you didn't need to re-create the "original" GSD, the original GSD is kept just fine by the SV in the form of working GSD's 

zdog, HAVE YOU ANY IDEA how much the GSD has changed since the early days? Even the dogs of the 1950's look nothing at all like what we are seeing today, which is why the Rin Tin Tin dogs got trashed so badly in a recent thread, as they are bred to conform to the standard of a different era.

Check this out, it will open your eyes, and maybe give you a clue as to why Tina did what she did: http://showcase.netins.net/web/royalair/pasttopresent.htm

You'll have a hard time convincing me the changes are for the better. I think Max would be rolling in his grave if he could see today's dogs.