Shiloh Shepherds - Page 8

Ms Barber if your selection process was so selective, why was Malamute allowed to be bred into the "breed"?  I know this is a fact - maybe not from your own breeding program, but from others who register their dogs as Shiloh Shepherds.  They are oversized, long-coated - where in the GSD standard (the one from Germany) does it allow oversized, long-coated dogs?  They also don't posses the temperament that GSDs should have - of all the Shiloh "Shepherds" I have known personally - MANY (probably met/known/handled/dealt with 50 or more) - I have never known ONE that could be worked in any capacity more advanced than basic obedience or "fun" agility.  The ones I have known would never be strong enough in character to do protection work, Schutzhund or other - not enough drive to do any competitive "anything".  They are pretty, and they are big.  Most I can see the Malamute influence in body structure, coat type and facial/body  markings.  To me they are a mixed breed with fake papers that should not be in any way associated with German Shepherd Dogs.

molly

There you go, comparing your breeding practices and dogs to the German Shepherd, and jump all over anyone that does the same.  have it both ways much?

To me there is absolutely no difference between the Shilo shepherds and the so called Designer breeds (Mutts). I stumbled over this website a couple of weeks ago "Nemo Dogs"  http://www.freewebs.com/nemodogs/ what the h*** ?? Nowadays you get a mutt, call it something and have an instant "breed" and see $$$$$$$$$$$. Shilo's are just MUTTS!

eichenluft, if you read the whole thread, you will see the OP mentions a SAR Shiloh named Gandalf who found a 12 yr. old boy that was missing.

I personally know a shiloh that is titled in tracking, and I know there are many others out there doing tracking and SAR.

On her website, Tina talks about doing Schutzhund with one of her dogs, and having a small child walk up to the dog and grab it when it was in attack mode. She had seen handlers be attacked by their own dogs under similar circumstances. This dog immediately broke off the attack, in order not to harm the child.

Mind, I believe this was when the dogs were still AKC registered. I don't know of any current Shilohs who are in protection work.

I beleive that I am breeding the Best of the Best and I think that the VA list of German Shepherds and the pedigrees of my dogs(many of the names coincide)would agree with me. I think it is totally ignorant to claim these dogs as no more than MUTTS!

     As I have stated previously, not everyone wants a show dog, or a schutzhund dog. German Shepherds are wanted by many people as a loyal family dog,and in many books,articles, etc.,they are described as LOYAL family dogs that love being close to their families. A well bred,well adjusted and trained dog is good with other pets and children. I HAVE THAT.

     I happen to live at least 100 miles from the nearest Schutzhund club, or I would be in it. Not all my dogs are oversized, some are. I have solid black dogs, sable , black and tan, red and black, saddle back, and blue. Most are 25 to 28 inches.Every one of them is 100% German Shepherd, ! loyal,bold ,fearless eager and alert. Sturdy,muscular and solid dogs.

     The Shiloh were AKC German Shepherd.

To me there is absolutely no difference between the Shilo shepherds and the so called Designer breeds (Mutts). I stumbled over this website a couple of weeks ago "Nemo Dogs"  http://www.freewebs.com/nemodogs/ what the h*** ?? Nowadays you get a mutt, call it something and have an instant "breed" and see $$$$$$$$$$$. Shilo's are just MUTTS!

trp k9, there is all the difference in the world between Shilohs and Designer Breeds. Tina has been developing this breed through careful breeding for over 40 years! She does not just take one breed and cross with another, and sell the progeny as the Designer breeders are doing! How do you think all the over 400 recognized dog breeds in the world were developed? Take a look below to see how your favourite breed came into being (highlighting is mine.)

Max von Stephanitz used a variety of other herding breeds or non-breeds, to cross back in with Hector in order to develop the type of dog he was trying to create. 

Tina M. Barber, Origins of the ISSR Shiloh Shepherd, Ch. 1: In the Beginning (Breed History of the GSD).(copyright)  Link: http://www.shilohshepherds.info/originsOfTheISSRShilohShepherd/origins.htm

The source for Tina's information is Max's book on the German Shepherd. Current editions have been edited to remove the references to the wolf-blooded dogs!

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QUOTE: Do you remember a specific "German Shepherd" you used to know as a child (or if you are under 40) one that your family or friends told you about? He was the dog with that super, almost human intelligence; that big family protector that was so very gentle with little children, yet would give his life for his master without question. The dog that would walk you to the school bus, and then show up again exactly on time to wait for your return; the hero that everyone talked about; the one that seemed half human. His personality consisted of Lassie, Strongheart, and Rin Tin Tin all rolled into one.

Unfortunately there are some problems with some of the things that have been brought up here and the truth about what kind of dog actually does protect.

In my experience, and this amuses me, as far as untrained dogs protecting, I do not read of GSD's or Mals or any of our breeds, I hear of lab mixes and schnauzers more than anything.

So very gentle with children. OK, that is cool, and there are a lot of dogs that will do this that have a high probability of actually protecting your kids. However, the type of dog that is going to protect your home is not going to be all that great with kids without some sort of training. Anything else that you hear or read is an educated guess, and the actual percentages of dogs that protect are unbelievably small.

I also do not count growling as a weird guy who was'nt going to do anything anyway as "protecting"

I have seen 5 Shiloh shepherds in my whole life, and all of them were displastic. One was really pretty.

QUOTE:His personality consisted of Lassie, Strongheart, and Rin Tin Tin all rolled into one.

The fact that  dogs whos actions on screen were completely controlled by a human is even mentioned makes me cry BS.

Eichenluft/Molly, you couldn't be more correct. Syupposedly these shilohs were bred to improve on the "faulty" GSD breed.  Ya right.  They were bred to create ans capture a new market based on hype and false claims, in my view.  The only improvement the GSD needs can be done by the individual breeders within the specifications of the current FCI standard.  When the GSD approaches this FCI standard it is so good that it's incredible. No need to change the standard at all. It's very good as it is.

I am simply amazed this conversation is still going on.

At any rate, my comments are addressed to all of you intense GSD people.  Do you have this same "mutt" mentality towards the White German Shepherd and Panda Shepherd because the color of their coat is not  "acceptable" as per the GSD Breed Standard?   How about the Long Haired German Shepherd? Are they mutts too because their coat is long?

Instead of fixating on a breed of dog that doesn't claim to be a GSD, I would be interested in your comments re: the above mentioned breeds.  and also, the breeders of the German Shepherds found on these sites.

http://classicgermanshepherds.com/

http://www.largegermanshepherds.com/index.htm