Schutzhund will die, and GSD people won’t stop it…… - Page 13

Yvette, somehow I would put my money on you being able to handle helper work chickie.lol  But I think if you survived the day you would feel useless at home for the next couple and I don't think hubby would like that too much.  Oh if only we were all independently wealthy and did not have to work or do anything but play with dogs wouldn't that be the best....lol  til then....same shit, different day I suppose. lol  Poor Chuck...I hope you guys are feeding him well he's a good guy.  My husband really liked him and Samson is one of my favorites-sshhh don't tell the others Nora might get a little jelous- you know how bitches can get funny.

Don, I understand the golf analogy, but you wouldnt go for lessons if you didnt have a true desire to get better would you? So if you already had enough love for the sport, then you would be able to see why you should get new grips, clubs etc.

As an avid golfer (7 handicap) let me reverse this analogy, a good professional will tell you it is not the clubs, it is the swing. I see, on a weekly basis, golfers with $2000 worth of brand new equipment who can't break 90 and I with my 4 year old driver, homemade clubs, and old bag go out and consistently shoot in the 70's. So why does equipment (or in this case dogs) matter? I have seen really good dogs under bad handlers get bad scores, and I have seen really good handlers with really bad dogs get good scores. You need a solid foundation, I agree, but let the newbie learn for themselves by being open and friendly. That was my point and you still seem to miss it.

My reason for offering to help after, as you call it, "blasting" the schutzhund world is simple. My dad taught me to never point out a problem unless you can offer up a solution. What kind of person would I be to say, "your doing it wrong" if I had no thoughts on how to make it right. If I can't help or am not willing then why not keep my trap shut to begin with.....

Please tell me you get it this time? Oh, and I have in fact been on a Sch field......

WYB Take the argument to another post please

Schbabe

How do you think you attract new helpers? Same way that you attract new members. We could start a whole new discussion about that because helpers take more flack than most. A good one, worth their weight in gold, a bad one, the target of every club member. But again, it is PR, Marketing and Friendliness. Why cant we go with your scenario A? What is so bad about that, so you lose some time, the ones who are "advanced" can train another day. Most "advanced" trainers I know (myself included) train most obedience and tracking at home by themselves anyway. I guess it is a matter of having a heart for people or not. Compassion is what drives good people to great things and massive sacrifice accompanies everyone in history I want to be like. Jesus died for all of us, His apostles all died for their beliefs, the soldiers in Iraq are dying for their belief in freedom, and so on. Anything great requires great sacrifice, wether it is time, money, or your life you must either say "I will do what it takes no matter how hard" or you say "I accept what I have now". For you it may work, status quo I mean, but I have a hunch many do not feel the way you do. They want more, something better, and I am simply saying if the sch people could unite and change things. You could even change a life, can you imagine if you could touch the life of an orphan child through a few commands to your GSD? Or what about the diabled or mentally retarded? It is proven that interaction with animals can increase life span and life quality, so what if you had some more people like that at your club? Would a kid in a wheel chair "slow down" he training? Sure. Is it worth it to spend extra time helping someone less fortunate than you or I? I guess only you can answer that, but lets use these awesome animals for good, beyond Sch1, 2, and 3. Thats what I am saying and you start by being friendly and gaining new members regarldess of dog and training ability. PERIOD!

Have you seen this Willy?

In response to Tim Helsers post....

He has Ruined more dogs than anyone I know of.  Ive personally seen  dogs he has worked now  with avoidance issues, nice dogs too-from Pits to Bulldogs to Shepherds.  In all seriousness, he might be the last person Id ever enlist to train a dog. He simply hasnt a clue. He has Never titled a dog in Schutzhund, besides a BH, I was Lied to. Nor has he traveled around the world, he lives with his mother in law and was recenlty evicted from the kennel he had leased.

Tims' criminal  record, 2 page Rap sheet and  of animal cruelty charges are listed here. Just type in his name.

http://www.mccountycourts.org/PRO/

I agree with you completely. But you know, you can't have a perfect world. Not even a GSD one. I've got a near perfect club. One sho dog, but I swear. She's more respected than most of the working lines! To me, it ALL relies on the individual dog. I got into the sport to learn and train and title my dog, and make a great difference in the breeding world. I dislike the drama, but luckily, me being 15, has left me out of the majority. :]

Emily.

I'm still a newbie on here, but I truly enjoy it.  My very first post got bashed and I mean bashed HARD!!  However, by the time it was all said and done, I truly should've worded it differently, but oh well.  A few people really reached out and offered one on one advise, which was greatly appreciated!  I also luckily found a breeder that is there for me whenever the time comes.  I'm currently working with a trainer in Illinois, and I probably shouldn't mention his name, but he is GREAT!!!  The man is hardcore and "raw", I could see how he might upset or offend some people, but yet he cares a great deal for the sport, it is his life!  He is nothing but 100% HONEST.  That's what is important on here, I know some people get their feelings hurt, which is bad, because it could push away people that might have been "worthy" down the road.  So I guess for the people that want to give honest advice, just try to let the people down a little easier.  We all know BYB's are bad for the breed, so instead of accusing people or degrading them, let them know where you stand and actually explain the reasoning for this.  The easily offended might be pushed away, but I myself truly love the breed and want to learn as much as possible.

I thought I would say something in defense of the sport - I know it is just one club, but it turned out well for me.

For you showline people who think you have alot of trouble - I have a white.  For a while I was pretty much terrified of going to any SchH club and doing anything because of the attitude I saw on the internet.  This summer I finally worked up the nerve to call the director of our local DVG club and he gave me the name of a guy who runs a club that trains twice a week.  I talked to him and decided I would start when I got back to school.  It took me about a month before I could work up the nerve to show up to a training session, but when I did I was very pleasantly surprised.  The guys in my club have been very helpful and accepting, giving me lots of advice, telling me about places where I can get equipment, helping me out with improving Ruby a little bit with every session.

I am really enjoying myself right now - I am new to the sport, but I find that it suits me - I love to work, and I love even more to work with Ruby and I really like seeing how she improves.  I like putting in the effort to see that she improves as well. Not only that but I love learning new ways to train...I train obedience, but I am learning a little more about different training methods every day, and it is wildly interesting.  Being with these guys has cemented my desire to some day have a working German Shepherd as well.

I am looking forward to learning more from these guys - they are also going to teach me how to be a helper - and while my tiny little self may not be great with that - well, they are involving me in everything and for that reason I am very grateful.

I guess with the internet and the database you need to keep in mind that it is the internet - not everyone posts here - in fact I would hazard a guess that not even the majority is on the internet...there is alot more out there than just what we have here.  Its a great place to meet people, but there isnt necissarily a good representation of everything out there here.

~Cate

I agree titling a GSD is not difficult, or even other breeds.  Let us remember that Schutzhund is not restricted to merely GSDs

Cate...I think thats cool. Best of luck. 

Love to see photos of your white working!   Im partial to the whites & the blacks!