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by The Good Shepherd on 17 August 2007 - 20:08

Ramgsd,

Thanks for bring up what the GSD was bred for - Herding - Yes - I do have sheep and Yes - my GSD Kati is working sheep. She also has a CD and we are working on her CDX. Not everyone does Schutzhund or Ringsport witha GSD

As for Pits, it should be a personal choice from responsible dogowners whether or not to have a Pitbull


by ramgsd on 17 August 2007 - 23:08

you are welcome GOOD SHEPHERD. i thought it funny how people here thought just because a breed  wasn't used for it's original purpose anymore how it has no worth. the majority of breeds including the shepherd aren't used for there original purpose anymore but make great pets, sporting dogs... do you have any pics of yours doing their herding work? would love to see them.


by decoyD on 19 August 2007 - 16:08

ProudShepherdPoppa the American Pitbull Terrier is a recognized breed in the USA. The APBT has beed registered with the United Kennel Club since 1898, and registered with the American Dog Breeders Assoc. since 1909. The UKC puts out BLOODLINES Magazine, and the ADBA puts out the Pitbull Gazette. Both registries hold bench shows, and have standards both regarding appearance as well as temperments. If anyone is interested, the link below is quite informative.

http://www.riospitbull.com/origin_of_apbt.htm


by Angela Kovacs on 19 August 2007 - 16:08

Thanks D!! I was hoping someone else would join in.

by Trafalgar on 19 August 2007 - 16:08

It seems to me that the argument raging about pit bulls is whether they are innately more likely to participate in a deadly attack on a person than any other breed of dog. Persoanlly, I'm not arguing THAT point either way (I don't use my "sixth sense" when making these sorts of determinations- I depend upon statistical analysis done by people trained in data interpretation). But, lets say for the sake of this argument, we agree on the assumption that they ARE - then isn't the next logical step to ask: What is it in their inherited "package" of temperament traits that makes this kind of attack more likely? and What selection critieria (either those imposed by man or by nature) created this increase likelihood? By now, most "dog people" know that the holy grail of pit bull traits was "gameness" which to oversimplify is basically the trait of refusing to quit, even under the pressure of intense physical attack - up to and over the brink of death. This trait is a DIFFERENT characteristic than physical strength, physical agility, aggressiveness, threshold levels, etc...... Now, while almost all breeders who originally bred these dogs to fight were hot on the pursuit of gameness, many had variable preferences when it came to other fighting characteristics. Some refused to house or breed any dog that showed any aggression towards people ("maneater") Some had no problem breeding dogs with this trait - as long as they were also game. Some liked physical Hercules type dogs, some like dogs that did a lot of damage quickly. The point is that I don't think any legitimate claims can be made as universally within the background of all Pit Bulls except the trait of not giving up. Could it be that breeding dogs that don't have a natural inhibition for biting is the problem with attacks on people? Could it be that breeding dogs, intentionally or otherwise, with high prey drive is the problem? Could it be that some dogs are simple minded and can't understand that a human baby/child is a human? Could it be simply that Pit Bulls are so numerically popular because their inexpensive that it's as simple as the fact that if there are 50 times more pit bulls than any other breeds out there - there will be 50 times more attacks by them..... I think for the sake of a serious chance to reach any logical conclusion - people would have to bit off very tiny bits of this many faceted argument and try to answer the questions involved in a very narrow sense. I'm surprised so many people are confident in their own ability to answer with certainty, this extremely complicated issue. I've found that the more I learn about the various aspects of canine temperament and biological "race" matters - the LESS likely I am to put ANY store in "breed" characteristics - but I can't find myself drawing any final conclusions yet. Of course, I don't see the point in purposely going out and getting a pit bull in the meantime. I don't see the harm in staying away from the breed JUST IN CASE there is something real about the increased chances for tragic incidents.

by Trafalgar on 19 August 2007 - 17:08

"they;re inexpensive" not t "their inexpensive" ---sorry

by decoyD on 19 August 2007 - 17:08

I dont want to argue with anyone, and I hesitated getting involved in this thread. People have their own ideas regarding Pitbulls and nothing posted on a message board is going to change anyone's beliefs. Gameness has nothing to do with aggression. Most all of the Pitbulls that bite humans are not game dogs, or gamebred dogs. There are far too many Pitbulls and the majority are owned by irresponsible people. This Michael Vick situation will just make it worse. The wrong people will now be even more attracted to the Pitbull.  The sad truth is, once a Pitbull that could be trusted with a child was the norm. Now a Pitbull that can be trusted with a child is the Exception.


4pack

by 4pack on 19 August 2007 - 17:08

Can some one tell me if pits are at the top of the list in number of attacks? Are they at the top for fatal attacks?


by decoyD on 19 August 2007 - 17:08


by Sparrow on 19 August 2007 - 18:08

Okay, I GOTTA get my two cents in here. I was a building inspector in some of the worst neighborhoods of the Monongahela River Valley south of Pittsburgh.  Old steel towns which have been deserted by most businesses and have become overrun with section 8 housing and drug lords.  There was very little new construction, mostly condemnation of dilapidated structures.  Although there are still pockets of nicer neighborhoods strewn in, there is crime running rampant.  The dog of choice in these places is the Pit Bull Terrier.  The ones that are used for fighting, if they survive, are bred for aggression and are also used to protect drug territories (they have also been known to use large snakes and occasionally an alligator).  EVERY time there was a crisis at one of these buildings animal control was always on call to remove the dogs before I or the police could enter the structure.  These animals were so neglected, abused and poorly bred to begin with there was nothing anybody could do for them.  They start off badly and usually the end is not good, it's just surprising how little attacks there are considering the number of animals used for these purposes.  I also live very close to a neighborhood where most people can't afford to go but a decent dog (even pay the fees at the pound) so they get a free puppy from Joe dog fighter or Joe drug dealer who lives up the street.  These are NOT the ideal pet and are usually toted off to the pound within a month or two.  My whole point here is that the Pit Bull Terriers in low income neighborhoods HAVE been bred for the most aggression and NOTHING ELSE.  I do not believe these are true representatives of the breed, they are the worst of the worst.  I would be willing to lay money on the fact that even the Pits who are family pets and are well taken care of but end up mauling a child or even an adult have not come from a reputable breeder but from the pound or the friend of a friend of a friend and their background is sketchy at best.  I go to PetSmart and see lots of these morons (from these same neighborhoods, whose child wanted a pet) who know nothing about dogs in general with a Pit PUPPY on the end of a leash, never an adult dog, and it's because they are not kept longer than a couple of months.  THESE are the ones who end up at the pound and some well meaning sucker picks out this "cute little puppy" with no idea of it's history.  99% of the Pit Bulls from the pound have come from these kinds of situations and should probably be euthanized on the spot.  On the other hand, reputable breeders should keep track of where their dogs are going and try a little harder to overcome the hardships caused by cruel, uneducated people out to make an illegal dollar in the slums of the US of A.  These dogs can be loving companions and are really comedians if BRED, CARED FOR and trained PROPERLY.

Okay, so it was more than two cents, I just saw a little more than most people where this all comes from and it's frustrating as hell.

Cindi






 


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