Who objects to this dog being bred? - Page 13

Thank you!!!

Well, now that I know it's easier than I thought, I am going to run out and buy myself one of those breeders advertised here......NOT!

Frankly, I'm about burned out on all of this and am really disappointed to hear that Lanting puts his own spin on some of his translations and even more disappointed to learn that no one else has translated the SV rules correctly in rebuttal.  How the hell can the SV expect breeders in the US to do it right  when they don't have the correct translation of the rules? Why is that?

Some who have been accused of circumventing the SV system have actually been in compliance all along and if you're careful how you register your long coats, there is a better than average chance you can get them breed surveyed. That answers the question that has been posed here a number of times - how did that coat get a breed survey? The correct answer may not always be - it was from a German long coat club since it could well have been from the SV.  If the SV ever decides to DNA all dogs for either being coats or carriers, that would end.  Now I understand why that test doesn't seem to be popular with GSD breeders in the US, best to just guess rather than know for sure I suppose.

And here I thought everyone breeding dogs with breed surveys were using dogs with KKL ratings - my bubble has been burst.

DH, thanks for the explaination, but I have one more question for you or Chris or anyone here from Germany - why doesn't the SV provide official translations to breeders in other countries or do they? You said - people discuss SV rules without the basic knowledge of what those rules are. How are they supposed to understand the rules if they can't read them and if the only translation available is incorrect?

High 5 Blitzen! 

Blitzen, the rules are in written in english  on the UScA and I would imagine, the GSDCA-WDA site too. 

Go back to Chris' post & read 4.1.4.  It's not ambigous.

Yeah, I saw that, Sue, but I think that only means a coat can't koer, doesn't it? He/she can still receive a breed survey and be used for breeding to produce pups with white papers. Also, if you don't say it's a coat, it's not as far as a breed survey? Maybe I'm confused? I know it's giving me a headache.

Do you have the  links for those other sites with the SV rules? I'm curious to read their interpretation compared to Fred's. Just goes to show you can't believe everything you see on the internet.

I need a drink.

Here is the one for UScA:

http://germanshepherddog.com/regulations/breed_survey_regulations.htm

That will take you to breed survey regulations.  If you then click on "REGULATIONS" at the top you can go down to "breed standard" if you wish.

TEQUILLA SHOTS AT 6:00 ON THE DOT

Thanks, I'm going to take a nap now, will try later.

Anything but tequilla. A friend got sick from way too many Margarittas and heaved all over the inside of my VW bug. Can't stand the smell of tequilla since then.

No, no, no, Blitzen! You are confusing the terms, lol. First of all, it is not the SV's responsibility to translate anything into English. Remember, they are the German Shepherd Dog Club of Germany, and in Germany, they speak and read German, not English! Sorry guys! It is the U.S. organization's responsibility to provide this translation, or write their own regulations, which USA has done.

Now with that being said, let me give you some translations and explanations.

"Surveyed" does mean KKL or koered. Breed survey - Koerung; surveyed - gekoert. Breed Survey Class - Koerklasse (1 or 2 respectively), which abbreviates into KKL. Titled - mit Pruefung, meaning the dog has at least a SchH1 (or equivilent, like VPG1, IP1 etc.).

So, if people talk about a surveyed dog, this dog would be either in KKL1 or KKL2. It does have the "Koerung" or "Breed Survey". And of course, this dog automatically is titled, since nobody can get a dog surveyed without a title.

So again, the SV's minimum requirement for breeding is described under 4.1.1. which means that the dog has to have a SchH1 or equivilent (which of course includes a BH) or a HGH under an SV judge with at least 80 points in C (protection work). So, that means that the dog can not trial for his first title under a DVG judge or any other organization. If our friend in Germany wants to lease my female when this female could not have been titled under a USA judge. The SV does not recognize that. For the next titles, it does not matter. Just for the first. The dog has to have a show rating of at least G. The dog has to have his a-stamp for hips and elbows. Certain foreign certifications, such as OFA are not recognized if the dog is staying in Germany. The dog also has to be DNA'ed. Dogs born after 1999 also have to be DNA certified. The difference to DNA and DNA certified: DNA means a blood sample was drawn and that sample is being stored at the lab which is under SV contract. DNA certified means that the blood sample has been compared with the parents' sample and the breeding can be certified. A significant difference!  All dogs born outside of Germany (and Austria if I am correct, since Austria also gets their papers from the SV) have to be DNA certified if a German breeder wants to use them for breeding. So, these are the minimum requirements to get any registration papers from the SV (white papers). It does not include a breed survey.

Dogs described under para. 4.1.2. will have all the minimum requirements plus a KKL2 (Breed Survey Class 2) which describes dogs "suitable" for breeding. Litters resulting from these dogs will get pink papers.

Dogs described under para. 4.1.3. will have all the minimum requirements plus a KKL1 (Breed Survey Class 1) which describes dogs "recommended" for breeding. Litters resulting from these dogs will get pink papers.

Now, if you are disappointed about breeding dogs with white papers, don't be. It is still better than no requirements, like the AKC . A show rating of at least G which will weed out dogs with disqualifying faults. Judge Leonhardt Schweikert told me years ago, when he judged at our club that it is much harder to receive a V rating in the show rating than a KKL1 on a dog. Lots of dogs with a KKL1 only have an SG rating.

Now, the dogs described under para. 4.1.4. are all excluded from breeding. Dogs with HD or ED, dogs which are registered in the working dog register, dogs with disqualifying faults which will automatically cause a breed book ban: oversize or undersize (more than one 1 cm), blue dogs (German word: Blaeulinge), various dental faults, long coats, long stockcoats (here we go!!), floppy ears, dogs with certain surgeries etc.

Last remark: Unlike other breed organizations like the Rotties (ADRK) or the Dobies (DV), the SV does not have a ZtP (Zuchttauglichkeitspruefung - Breed Suitability Test). Thi