Who objects to this dog being bred? - Page 6

                I have just fallen in love with DH

Kalle vom Welzbachtal

• This dog is looking back at over 7 years of Top Level of SchH Competition with an incredible consistency all the way, from beginning, middle, right to the very end of his highly successful career!
• At a time when many 3 and 4 year old sare already breaking down.
• Or mature dogs become unmanagable.

• 2 x LGA Sieger, last time at nearly 9 years of age. 1 x LGA Reserve Sieger, plus a few other LGAs.
• 1 x FCI-LGA Reserve Sieger!
• 1 x FCI SchH Nationals (SV) Sieger!
• 2 x BSP 3rd! 6 times BSP overall! 4 times in the top 10! BSP 8th at nearly 9 years of age!
• 1 x WUSV Sieger! 3 x WUSV alltogether!
• Earned a Sieger Title in 4 different years.

• G rated in conformation
• BH
• AD
• SchH titled up the yingyang
• HDa1
• = he has ALL that is required by the SV TO BREED!

• Desired, but NOT REQUIRED.

• Is final. So we are done with the coat question. The dog is G rated, meaning judge said coat is within standard.

• Accepting and respecting judges decision. If you don't like/agree with judges decision, don't use the dog.
• Respecting a dogs and an owners accomplishments.

Worthy dog to breed to?

• Absolutely.

• No dog qualfies for that one...

• If had a female that would compliment him - why not.
• If someone asked me if I would recommend that dog for a breeding - depends on their female.

Would I breed to him?

• If had a female that would compliment him - why not.
• If someone asked me if I would recommend that dog for a breeding - depends on their female.
• If he was my dog, and we had done all that together (yeah, wishful thinking) - abso^#!%$&*lutely!
• If he was my dog, and I got him after he had done all that - of course.

• Every dog has some. At least this dog has one that is pretty much the easiest and most predictable to deal with when breeding GSD. LC recessive -x- LC recessive produces some LCs. LC recessive -x- not LC recessive produces no LCs, only some carriers. And those are aplenty among the GSD world. Never mind that it does not affect the pups health or temperament or wellbeing in any way. So, minor issue. Lots of LC carriers are being bred, often LC pups come as a surprise to the breeder. This dog, with his heavy coat and several LC pups gives me the advantage to plan my breedings accordingly so that I can avoid LCs, if that is what is important to me.
• Worst case scenario, lets call him a coat, then if bred to a coat carrier, statistically half the pups would be LCs, the other half would be carriers. A minor risk. If bred to a female that will not produce any coats then there will be no LCs in the litter, but all would be carriers (LC recessive). LC recessive dogs are already being produced in a very high percentage of litters.
• HD - already been discussed earlier. No issue, unless you happen to line breed on a dog that is a poor HD producer by using this male, but that is not limited to this dog.
• Overall the Good and the big picture outweighs the negative for me. Coat is such a minor issue. Coat factor and HD background can be managed.

Did everyone see the movie Gladiator? In ancient Rome, almost all gladiators were slaves. A few truly exceptional ones at gladiatorial combat were spared, allowed to live on and retire. Kalle was born under a cloud of prejudice due to his hair. Kalle is Maximus! Like a gladiator, he has earned through exceptional achievements in gladiatorial combat in the schutzhund field, the right for some of his genes to live on. Hail Kalle! Hail Maximus! Hail DH!

I dont usually swing that way....but D.H....will you marry me?

lol

AWSOME post :)

~Cate

D H, I think your posts was very eloquent and represented a practical, thorough , insightful, look at that dog as a dog that has genes that should be retained in the genepool, albeit only with intelligent breeding. But then again, all breeding should be intelligently thought out. That's my problem with titles and certs breeding ONLY, it has allowed so many unknowledgable people to breed dogs JUSTIFIABLY, because the dog had title and cert. I have no problem with these aspects but people should breed dogs based on knowledge and performance as the breed is a working dog. I am aware of the difference in breed survey and show rating, but I was trying to paint the picture of validity for breeding of these tools. All tools are subject to use by the operator and sometimes as in this dog's case with sufficient knowledge of compensation we utilize the dog. This is not an average working dog so people can't just go to any dog without coat and necessarily get the same product. Thanks for saying what I was thinking about this dog much more sophisticated than I could. 

These types of debates  are  always going to head in the same direction. Those who breed and sell untitled dogs without breed surveys on one side supporting their ideals backed by those who do the same and those who don't.  I guess it's just up to each GSD breeder to decide which side he/she is going to be on and then just do it because there is never going to be 100% agreement and you just cannot have it both ways. No matter how much of a spin anyone puts on this thread, it will always boil to to one very simple fact - either one breeds only titled and breed surveyed dogs or one doesn't period.  How can pink papers be so freaking valuable one day and of lesser value the next?

My concern is how many novices are going to be influenced by all of this and if it will mean even more puppies produced by dogs that are not breed worthy. Not all here know the difference and I can just imagine those with dogs that are not eligible for  breed surveys jumping up and down applauding thinking - goodie, goodie now I can breed my dog without feeling gulity since so and so says it's OK and he/she are THE BREED EXPERTS.  The bar has been lowered one more notch in order to make way for legitimizing using dogs for breeding that are not eligible for a breed survey. 

Blitzen 

Blitzen, please explain to me, and the rest here, what a breed survey is. Also explain why this dog is not elligible to be breed surveyed.