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personaly i dont see any harm that nenz is doing. i know nenz really good. he has NEVER done anything to harm ilovemygsdnenz 5 year old daughter. nenz loves and pertects ilovemygsdnenz and her daughter really good. i see nothing wrong with nenzs behaviour at all. he is a loving and caring dog. did anyone ever stop to think maybe thats how nenz was taught in germany is to attack when someone leaves then come back in if they dont anounce that they are coming back in. how is nenz really supose to know who it is that is coming in the apartment for sure. to him it could be anyone and alll he is doing is his job and that is to PERTECT his family!!!      precious

sorry everyone im new at this. im the one who wrote this. i didnt realize that if i just write someting that it would b under ilovemygsdnenz screen name.  preciousrose

I rarely write as plainly as I am about to do here.  But this thread makes me livid.

This is stupid and IRRESPONSIBLE behavior on the part of the owner, members of this board who should know better as to come here and say it is ok, and the dog. When the dog bites someone and you end up in court and the dog is deemed "dangerous" and ends up being put down, maybe then you will use some common sense. For the rest of you, it ends up being just one more example of a dog out of control, and that does not and should not sit well with society. Dogs are not weapons.

Some of you, YR included, are always bitching about all the breed bans etc., yet here you encourage someone who clearly has no control of the dog. I would bet the dog has never had any formal obedience training. Things happen. Kids come in unannounced. Friends etc. And in rare instances, police come in and when a dog acts like this initially, guess what, DEAD DOG. And then some of you will be moaning and groaning about why the dog was shot.

This is, just as Shasta has described, a DISASTER waiting to happen. Most of you are full of it if you think a dog behaving like this will be "called off" if it decides to go after someone. It might, it might not.  Attitudes like this are exactly why the ownership of dogs is going to be more and more problematical. Attitudes like these are dangerous and shame on any of you who come here and suggest this is acceptable behavior. If you need to feel "safe" put some extra locks on the door. Teach your friends to knock and take the dog to some serious obedience training.

Just a few weeks ago someone I know put her GSD down. She loved the dog, of that I am sure. But she did NOT get the kind of training and socialization she had to and the dog was doing just this type of thing. It had already bitten, jumped on and harassed several people. It had attacked a small dog when she took it out for a walk. Despite advice to secure the dog where the kids could not let it out when they had friends over, she failed to do that. A child came into the house to play, one of the boys let the dog out of a bedroom, and as the boys were playing and running around the dog went after the friend and bit him putting a gash in his head. Her irresponsibility was the reason for all this and now she has a dead dog, a lawsuit, and is in trouble with the legal system.

Never say "never". Just because this dog has not bitten to date does not mean he won't. In any case, if I were your friend and this is what happened when I came over, I would not be coming. These are DOGS. My dogs bark when anyone comes onto this property. That, in an of itself is sufficient to make me alerted to their presence. I don't need my dogs "going off on someone" as some of you so proudly put it.

oh by the way, forgot to mention, the bad neighbor upstairs already tried that, calling the cops, saying he bit her. i watched her come in the yard, saw him dart at her real fast, and jump back, quickly, the last night we were there. cop came and i said no he didn't bite her. he said well she has scratches on her hand that came from your dog. i said well she can say that but he didn't bite her. so then officer focused on him being off leash. nenz accompanied me to my court date, and lay placidly at my feet during the whole proceeding. so i paid a fine for him running at large in my yard. they briefly skimmed over the alleged bite, then told me that's not why i was there, which i already know. so yeah, he nips. i called on someone's dog before, myself, and the action they take on bites is no action if it's not bloody, or in my case, focusing on running at large, which i was fined for.

 You might be mistaken, I was NOT saying nenz is a bad dog...nor "not a good dog". It's interesting to me that even here when dealing with aggressive dogs and aggressive dog owners, when I tell someone "your dog is showing aggressive tendencies in these situations" almost always one of the first responses I hear is "he's a good dog" or "he's so sweet" etc etc. I'm not saying he's not sweet, nor that he's bad. I'm saying the behavior he is showing is not good. I can't tell who posted above you (it looks from the same poster?) but if this dog was trained in Germany to attack anyone leaving and re-entering, and then you were given a dog without being told how to turn off the behavior there is an even GREATER problem here. More then likely, this was not trained. He may have been started in protection, but if that was the case, there needs to be much greater control here. And honestly, a properly trained protection dog would not be just "given" to you with no set of instructions. 

I DO have protection dogs...one that has more personal protection type work, the others that are sport dogs. I would NOT want my dogs acting that way. I would not want them always walking on eggshells but instead relaxed enough to react only to a threat, and treat others with good behavior.That does not mean they want everyone loving on them, it just means they would be under MY control, verses just thinking they can go off whenever they want, or being so worried about their environment that they have to bark because someone walked through a door.  Think about the amount of stress it puts on a dog to be treated like a gun, but with no controls? Not nice to do to the dog. If you're concerned, get yourself some self defense training, a weapon, and get some protection training on this boy if he can handle it. If he doesn't have the temperament for it, then don't encourage the behavior. You're just begging for something really bad to happen, then the GSD will be blamed AGAIN. And get yourself and your daughter out of there girl....you're obviously stressed, that's projecting onto the dog. None of you need that...and especially that little girl of yours. I would never allow people like that around a kid, nor expect the dog to do the protecting either.

I think a more common and responsible reaction you'd want from your dog would be something like this:

Doorbell rings- dog barks and goes to the door.

You the owner go look to see who's at the door, put the dog on a down/stay, allow your guest in and release the dog from his command so he is free to go about his business.  The dog is still gonna monitor the situation naturally with it's instincts.

I have young children myself and lots and lots of neighborhood kids that frequent my home and as good natured and obedient my dog is I still would never say never AND I would not want to put my dog in a situation that could potentially turn very bad for not only an innocent person but myself and my dog.

Your dog should not be "nipping" at anyone and you shouldn't allow him to be nipping at people for "entering his space".  This is NOT cool!  You described that the dog had been struck with sticks in the past by your neighbor and was afraid of people....do you see the red flags here, any sirens going off yet????

On a side note....you stated perhaps the possibility of the dog being "trained" to attack anyone who leaves and re enters the home.....uh I'd say that is a NEGATIVE!  A dog that has been "started" likely would not even know how to approach these types of situations and I just can't see the Germans using this sort of mentality of training. 

If there is no threat the dog should have not reason to even think about engaging in a bit, a nip or even so much as a growl.  There have to be boundaries set and a rountine for the dog to know what he is and isn't supossed to do.  It's not OK for his first thought to be "bite" unless you're being beaten in the doorway.  Which in that case if it's a possibility it may be time to move.

 Oh MAN, this just keeps getting better and better...now the dog already has been called on for nipping somebody? And you think it's a good thing? Please STOP! And DONT go around telling people "he was started in protection training" when you clearly don't have control over the behavior..it puts the rest of us who DO work with actual protection trained dogs at risk. 

This dog is not biting out of protection precious. It clearly sounds like a fearful dog walking on eggshells and reacting. A truly protective dog would be acting out of confidence, and with correct training, to a threat. This dog just sounds scared that someone is near him or what he perceives as his space (which it shouldn't be that way, it should be your space under YOUR control if you were an appropriate leader) and is reacting to ghosts in his closet. 

get some definite control and please, please PLEASE go learn something about protection training and what it means to REALLY have a trained dog. Stop allowing this behavior and putting us all at risk because you want to feel safe. 

 that does NOT mean btw to go get protection training on NENZ, it just means, learn what a proper protection trained dog is supposed to be. I would not really on Nenz to protect me or my daughter, would probably be doing everything possible to get out of that situation. If this dog has been hit and was scared of people, he probably should not be trained in protection. Therefore, the behavior your describing is  NOT a good thing. 

You know, I'd think these posts of yours ILMGNenz were totally bogus if it wasn't for the fact of Nenz being discussed previously as being sold cheaply or given (?) to you by a breeder.  Easily checked.
 

Hon---The baby -shnook actions that initiate these posts better cease pronto or you'll end up one sorry, little lady.  Time to take care of your dogs and stop worrying about them taking care of you.  The erratic behavior of your household has to be addressed by you........not the board. It's pointless.  If your circumstances have put you in a compromising position and you're stuck (for now), at least protect the dogs.  You CAN keep them in a separate room from others when your presence isn't possible.......and, please.....act responsibly when you are present.

i didn't say i thought it was a good thing, merely mentioned it happened. i don't go around telling people he was started in protection, i only mentioned it on here that that was what i was told when i picked him up from where he was. occasionally i get asked is he friendly, i say, nope. or does he bite, i say, yep.

 Ilmgsdnenz, your post by virtue of its title and the tone you took implies that you are happy the dog you felt is "protecting" you. That's why I asked "and you think this is a good thing"? The fact that you even have to ask if it's good or bad shows that you know very little to nothing about protection dogs, and not enough about keeping a dog responsibly. Hence, DONT encourage this behavior, go to a QUALIFIED trainer (not some JoQ off the street claiming to "know how to train dogs") to work with it, and do everything to get out of your situation if you don't feel safe there.