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AgarPhranicniStraze1

by AgarPhranicniStraze1 on 11 February 2008 - 06:02

Sue- you're right.  Let's move on to a more productive thread that perhaps we can learn something from or at least have something constructive to share.


VonIsengard

by VonIsengard on 11 February 2008 - 12:02

SUKIYAMI:

I am a professional dog trainer. I have made my living traiing dogs for years, especially those with behavioral issues, I have worked with literally hundreds of dogs. Am I qualified to comment now?

The owner is being highly irresponsible. The dog is being sent mixed messages and completely confused, therefore, he is taking it opon himself to decide what a threat is and is not. This is BAD news. It is completely permisible for a dog to behave in a protective manner so long as the owner can call it off at any time. Where is the owner during these incidents? Why is the dog's obedience not being used? Does he have obedience? This dog has the natural instinct to protect, great, but without CONTROL it is a bad accident and a lawsuit waiting to happen.

The boyfriend and his buddy are just as ignorant.

When you take it on yourself to purchase a gsd, you owe it to your family, your friends, your community, the breed community and the breed itself to train that dog.  

 


by FionaDunne on 11 February 2008 - 14:02

KCzaja and shasta:

Suki, reading a few books doesn't make one a trainer any more than pissing on a college wall qualifies one for a master's degree.

Wouldn't the time you've spent here attempting to castigate those who were asked for input be better spent assisting your friend in finding a competent trainer who specializes in aggressive dogs to help her resolve the serious issues this dog has before she finds herself on the wrong end of a lawsuit and having to destroy her dog?

The O.P. did not like hearing truthful answers about her dog's and went whining to get "back-up" from her friends in an attempt to persuade all of us to adopt her point of view about an aggressive dog.  Nobody here is going to lie to the girl.  She has a serious problem and she needs to deal with it.  Swiftly and with a competent, professional trainer.

Again with the River in Egypt mentallity.  In a very short time, I'd venture to guess, we'll be hearing more of her whining about how Nenz did finally cause serious injury and about how no rescue will take him in because of his bite history. 

And another possibly good German Shepherd will be destroyed as a result.  And yet another "bite mark" against the GSD because of an incompetent owner who refuses to see the problem and take steps to correct it.

There are people who have no business owning a German Shepherd Dog.  This is such a case.  The O.P. needs to buy a goldfish.

 


by ilovemygsdnenz on 11 February 2008 - 22:02

guess again. i had some problems with him barking at people outside but since i have been correcting him that has stopped. he doesn't even bark at people in the yard anymore when he is outside. when company is over he is with me and i am in charge. how is this not training the behavior out of him? all it took was a few days of me deciding to be in charge and not him. that was the problem. bottom line is i have decided it is not appropriate for him to act threatening if there is no threat and he understands that. i did like the power feeling it gave me when he barked at people but one day someone looked at him in surprise and remarked, i ain't never heard that dog bark before. i could hear the disgust in her voice and this is someone i have been acquainted with for a few years. i had him out the other day and a guy was scared of him saying oh that's the dog that barked at me by the laundry. i said he is barking because he is scared. he makes alot of noise but that's all. he said can i pet him? and i said sure. he did and nenz was good. he had alot of attention that day. i have spent time correcting my dog and my own behavior, how is this not being responsible? he wants to be a good boy. i was confusing him because i was confused myself. i did learn from this post but it would have been much more helpful without the word stupid being thrown around. i do not like criticism and that stung. i did learn from it. now how about getting off your high horses and acknowledging i do have a brain. i came here first because i know my friend has a busy schedule and just wanted a few opinions before asking for her help. gotta run the sun is out and it is beautiful outside.


by Do right and fear no one on 12 February 2008 - 00:02

Okay, I have to jump in here just one more time, because something just stated,  peaked my interest.

Where the heck is it?  "the sun is out and it is beautiful outside"

Seriously though Ilovemygsdnenz:  I hope one or more of your professional dog training friends helps you out, but a word of caution for your future ponderings.  If as you state "i  (meaning you) do not like criticism", then asking for opinions on an internet site is not the way to go.  Talk to your frineds in private about your future concerns.  There is no way in hell you can avoid criticism on this or any other web site, even if you just ask "what time it is?".   Someone will question why in the heck you don't buy a watch. 

Nip the problem in the bud soon, that you are experiencing with your dog, through professional or personal training.  Procrastination is many times what leads to bigger problems.  Best of luck.

P.S.  SukiKami:  many, many here are well versed in dog training, professional and otherwise, so I wouldn't go there again if I were you.  Yes, there is more than one way to skin a cat (er, ah, bad choice of words.. Let's say that there are many roads to Rome), but from reading your posts (and the fact that you apparently have not or did not help the O.P. solve the problem BEFORE she came here looking for guidance and opinions) leaves me with a feeling that you are not truly all that and a piece of pie too, when it comes to behaviorial issues with dogs.


by ilovemygsdnenz on 16 February 2008 - 08:02

sorry i wasted so much of everybody's time on this thread, it's irrelevant now. i lost him to bloat on the morning of valentine's day.


by AgarsMommy on 16 February 2008 - 16:02

ilovemygsdnenz-  So sorry to hear about your loss.  My best friend almost lost her dog a few weeks ago to bloat but fortunately for her she got her to the vet in time and the surgery was successful.  I've never experienced bloat first hand but I feel for your loss.


by Speaknow on 17 February 2008 - 01:02

My sympathies lie wholly with nenz, ilovemygsd, and on a number of counts at that, sadly all to your discredit. Hodie noted earlier somewhere that schutzhund wasn't about human 'protection', a misconception seemingly widespread here. If anything it's about evaluating a dog for stamina and physicality, intelligence, spirit, basic drives and temperament; general fitness for breeding and overall grading.

sueincc

by sueincc on 17 February 2008 - 03:02

WTF are you talking about?  This topic has nothing to do with schutzhund.  The ops dog is a service dog, not a schutzhund.  She said she thought he might have had some pp training in Germany, nothing about schutzhund.


Two Moons

by Two Moons on 17 February 2008 - 05:02

What is it with this bloat!   It cant be as common as it seems here in as many times as I've heard it mentioned.

Could the dog have been poisoned?    Sad for the dog.

Sounds strange to me tho.....   Maybe its all BS.

SSDD






 


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