Breeder Won't Give Deposit Back - Page 4

OH SHELLY you've hurt my feelings. I'm glad you have friends that are breeders. Seeing how I've only dealt with 1 GSD breeder and I am on good terms with them I really couldn't care what you are trying to imply. Besides you don't have to worry about me wanting a pup from you. I've looked at your site and really wouldn't want anything from your program anyway. I would rather get a dog from a breeder who has made some accomplishments with there program in at least the last 5 yrs.

Again if a web site states if they don't produce the color/coat you want you get you deposit back then the breeder needs to live up to their statements. Just as I wouldn't expect to get a deposit back from a breeder who's site states deposits are non-refundable. I'm a firm believer in living by what I say.

Shelley, do you refund their money if you decide not to sell them a pup?

Of course I would! But my instincts are pretty developed when it comes to picking out bad apples well ahead of accepting any money or reservations.

Seeing how I've only dealt with 1 GSD breeder and I am on good terms with them

AHEM... That's not how I heard it...

Mindhunt":   No you are not crazy...that is the way it should be and you should ask lots of questions and visit and see both parents of pups and the paperworks and call the vet who is the current vet of the dogs , parents and puppies...a little homework would help keep some unhappiness from happening   .......

Unless it is the dreaded    "Genetic Wildcard"...

I don't care how you heard it.  I think you are the type of breeder that people should look out for if you had a problem with anything I had said about the original post. Are you the type of breeder that makes statements on your site and then doesn't live up to them? That's what the original poster stated. The breeder isn't living up to what's on the site. If you can stick up for someone like that perhaps it's because you are just like them.

I get sick of hearing breeders complain about customers with outrageous demands..... well what about the breeders out there that don't live up to their word, or what's on their site? (same thing) The people on here say it's only $200. $200 of her hard earned cash that the breeder can't deliver on. If you people would read the post a little more closely you would see this buyer isn't asking for anything extra, just what was agreed upon.  Personally I would have wanted my money back, even if the breeder had a non-refundable deposit policy, after they decided to change the breeding from the one they publicized. That's bad business.

Yeah, I think if this breeders website said what Couch said it did, then a refund is in order. If the website stated that all deposits were "non-refundable", deposit will go on next available litter with what Couch is wanting, then he is SOL. If I were going to take it to small claims court I would print out the websites info that made the statement  :                                                " It stats on her website that if she can't supply you with the coat/colouring of a puppy from the litter you put money down for she will give you back your money.."  , plus all the emails he has saved pertaining to this transaction. But it doesn't sound like he is going to go that route. I guess I would try emailing them again with some copy/paste from their site and their emails.

Even if it is only  $200, that is alot of money for some people to just forget about, plus the principle. Sounds like he was a little to trusting.... I do think the coat/color guarantee is a little weird, I could see maybe the sex.....

If it is true that the breeder's web-site stated that she'd return a deposit if she wasn't able to provide a pup of the desired color - then  I don't see her excuse backing down on her word.

I also agree with the previous poster who advised against deposits.

If you simply want a companion pet.. look for a litter on the ground...see the pups and dam and pay in full when  you pick the pup up...many fantastic puppies are purchased this way.

There are GADZILLIONS of German Shepherd puppies.

GADZILLIONS.

Putting a deposit down makes sense if one is a aficianado that believes a pup from a certain breeding is a must have.

IMO

Couch,

IF you plan on doing anything with this breeder, the first thing I would do is go to the web site and print off where she states the conditions for returning refunds.  You'd be amazed at how quickly that stuff can "disappear" off a site when a breeder has sucked as many as they can in!

Other than that...cut your losses and move on.  In dealing with people like that, you will never win! Shameful fact, but a fact none the same!

Christine

Who said I was ticking up for the breeder mentioned in the original post? I am just offering a reality check, and trying to keep you,  from causing any more trouble for the ethical breeders and trainers you seem to like to try to  bash here MR. RICK MADDOX.   No more hiding behind a silly screen name.

BTW: I don't make any statements on my site, in my sales agreements, or anywhere else, that I can't/won't live up to. I am not rich or famous, was "out" of GSD competition for a few years till fairly recently but I am honest and ethical, and have probably forgotten more than you know about the subjects/threads you keep trying to post your two cents about.  Feel free to post your GSD resume here... I'm not theonly one here whose just dying to see your credentials and refenrences. Handly stuff for the next breeder or trainer you try to approach, later to try to discredit on a public internet forum.

SS

SHELLY get it right it's MATTOX. No big secret I've stated it here along with my number and even the email is rmattox@bex.net  not too hard to figure out now is it.  Put the bottle down it's obstructing your view of the screen. Again your stupidity abounds. I never caused any trouble for ethical breeders on this thread. Here's a copy of my original post. Perhaps after the alcohol wares off you can read it and point out were I called into question any ethical breeders???

"......"It stats on her web site that if she can't supply you with the coat/coloring of a puppy from the litter you put money down for she will give you back your money...though if she can supply you with a pup and say the timing doesn't work for you then she will keep the money as a deposit for another litter."

According to what is said to be on the breeders web site the breeder needs to return the deposit. 1) the breeder was unable to supply the desired color. (breeder states that, that is enough for a refund) The breeder offered a different pup of different color. Nice thought but it isn't what the customer wants. Now a false pregnancy so more waiting. The customer isn't willing to wait again. The deposit should be returned. Obviously the breeder doesn't have a "non-refundable deposit policy"

It's a shame to hear so many people on here say to just suck up the lose. Bad business is bad business, wether it's 200 or 2 million.

Try to work it out with the breeder to get the money back. If you can't take the legal action. Even if taking off work cost you a little, I think a few dollars in your pocket & the principle of it is better than $200 of your hard earned money in an unethical breeders hands for supplying nothing........"

Again your argument makes no sense. Once more I just stated that the breeder needs to live up to his statements on the site. Why anyone would guarantee color or coat is beyond me but when they do and can't produce it they need to return the deposit as they state they will on their site. Funny how those that read what the OP stated can see all this and agree the deposit should be returned.

I’m so sorry. None of the people who have contacted me about you privately, (one actually in tears) spelled your name right, so I couldn't either. I guess the other reputable breeders who refused to sell you any of their precious puppies neglected to spell your name accurately for me, although the one obviously managed not to butcher it so badly that your bank wouldn’t credit your account with the deposit they returned to you when they elected NOT to sell you one of their precious, very well-bred puppies.  Let the record stand corrected! Then again, you can't spell mine right, either, even though its right in front of you. My screen name IS my name, and spelled correctly. We'll let the rest of your misspellings go for now, along with the rude insults,  viciously thrown at me here and in another recent thread wherein I disagreed with you. Typical behavior when a jerk is forced into a corner and can’t think of any way out other than to strike below the belt in a vain attempt to re-direct attention away from themselves and try to discredit the person causing their discomfort… I don't know who is putting you up to all this stuff, but its remarkable how many times the same name has been mentioned in so many private communications arriving in my Inbox with “ramgsd” in the subject line, and/or included in the opening line of telephone conversations I have received lately…

For someone I have never met, you seem to think you know an awful lot about me. Maybe someday, when whoever's bath water YOU are drinking "wares" off, (oh dear...)  you can tell me just where you're getting your material. Until then, I guess we’ll just call your very personal insults “collateral damage by association.” (or interference?)   That’s what I get for trying to deter another trouble maker who is bent on focusing on anything and everything negative he can dream up (or is being fed) about fellow dogsport enthusiasts I personally know and respect. One might even hope your spelling, not to mention your manners, will improve after bath water detoxification. Anybody know what the typical half-life of toxic bath water is?  LOL 

Have a nice day, Mr. Mattox. (no bath water for me tonight) I sincerely hope you GET the puppy you deserve, from the person you deserve to get it from. The rest of us will be sitting on the edges of our seats waiting to learn which “lucky” kennel earns your ever-so-valuable business, not to mention who you send that lucky dog to for training. I'm thinking your list of options is getting shorter by the day, but I still feel certain someone out there is more than willing to take your money, at least for awhile.