Breeder Won't Give Deposit Back - Page 6

Here's how my next litter is going to be sold and I'll probably be slammed for it but it is my last planned litter.

No deposits period until pups are on the ground.   All pups will be sold with full registration.   No guarantees on future health problems, hips or temperment.  I'm making the price very reasonable for the breeding that it is to make up for lack of guarantee.

So there you have it.  Actually, the more I think about it, it sounds like the idea would make everyone's life much simpler.  Charge less for the pups and let the chips fall where they may. 

I've bought top bred pups from two very good breeders and both turned out with some form of HD.  Yes, I could of gotten another pup from one breeder if I had sent mine back but I choose to place her myself and take the loss.  The other breeder (Triton kennels) did not require the pup come back and she would still replace the dog if I asked but I'm not ready for a pup now.

Oskar1

For me this breeder did everything she could to please this person except for being able to sell her at the time a Dog of her Colour but was willing to keep her word when one came avaiable,

It was the one Buying who broke her word, by wanting her deposit back

She evidently has not visted the kennel at any time, Which a thing i would have done myself

And i said if i was the Breeder, I would not pay her back the $200, and that is it she may be owed it  by the wisdom of the court, but she still would not get paid by me, And as regards being Hunted down by the plantiff should i not pay,

if i know that is happening , then the Hunter will become the Hunted

Steve

steve1

    It seems to me this BREEDER has had quite a few unfortunate events when it comes to providing thecouch their pup.The money should be refunded whether it was $2.00 or $200. And those saying what difference does the color make seems ridicules to me. I've seen all sorts of color bashing here. When I bought my dog Duke, I wanted a red and black male, and that is "What I wanted", and that is what I got. I would have been pissed if I put a deposit down for a red and black and than be told, "sorry, you have to have a sable. It seems that thecouch has been more than reasonable waiting for a pup. They should get what THEY TOLD THE BREEDER THEY WANTED< AND THE BREEDER TOLD THEM THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE PUTTING DEPOSIT ON!!!! I thought the whole idea of a deposit was to secure what you wanted.

     My deposits are non-refundable if you just change your mind. I'm not going to hold the best dog for someone who than just deceides they want something else. A deposit is , in my opinion , meant to protect both pareties interests.

     I guess I just got very lucky with my dog, DUKE-aka Xoltan v Bullinger. I put a deposit, made payment arrangements, my dog got put on a plane, he was everything and more than what I was hoping for. Soon as I made my final payment, I got my dogs CKC papers,(thats Canadian, not continental kennel club) already registered to me in my name.

    That is the way a reputable breeder should handle the transaction. And, I am getting another dog from the same breeder.Couldn't have asked for anything better.

     Anyone looking to get a great dog, that is exactly what you bargained for, I suggest a "Bullinger" shepherd!!!!!!!

Steve,

It always amazes me, how peopel will twist the words !

My understanding is, and correct me if I am wrong, the following :

At the start of this hole ordeal, it was the breeder who stated on his HP :

She will provide you with a Pup of the desired colour / coat - not more , not less !

At what point did this agreement change ? At what point did the buyer agree to anything else ? The buyer trusted the words of that breeder - absolutly reasonable, and aparently with a lot of faith in the character of this breeder to stick to his/her very own policy. Dont know - isn't waiting 1 year - three litters - very resonable, to give the breeder the chance to fullfiill his end of the deal ??

I am not saying, the breeder did not try to solve the problem - nope , I bet he /she did try. But he/she recieved what was coming - dont make such stupid promises. And if you do - keep your word !

Try to turn & twist it as much as you wish Steve, what this breeder did ( and imo somely based on his/her own fault ), is not right. Stick to your word.

In regards to your last sentence, I was trying to put a picture to it....... I would not physicly hunt you, I am not into games. But for sure I would always know your whereabouts and as soon as there would be a sizeable asset of yours, I would try to put my hands on ! Guess what, even with the knowledge that I would loose more money than you owe me, I would persue it, just to make your life miserable. Of course this is not directed at you personal.

Regards Ulli

Better just to return the $200. and forget the whole thing, regardless of the specifics, than to have the issues played out, especially on a public forum.

SS

Hi Shelly,

hope you are fine. You are darn right, I would have payed that money back in a heart beat. Not only because I would stick to my word, even more to avoid this hassle. I dont know how to put it, I just cant take it if someone try s to play stupid on my costs ! Over stuff like that I do get beefed up.

Regrads Ulli

I would never promise certain colors,
 

when you are on my puppy list, you are guaranteed a healthy
male or female pup, if for some reason, the only pup left is say
solid black and they wanted traditional black & tan, oh well,
I also let them know in advance that the deposit is non-refundable,
but I also tell them under unusual circumstances, I will refund your
deposit, with which I have in the past, like someone got a divorce,
or broke-up with other half, a death in the family, lost their job, things
like that.

I have had people wanting a certain color, and then they look
at the pups & change their mind, and go with the opposite color, go fiqure.

I usually can let people know what colors will be in the litter, but I can't guess at ratio's.

I let people know also, that when you breed two dogs, it doesn't always turn out so rosey,
things can and sometimes do go wrong, that's why I don't want to see any deposits until
the litter is on the ground, I hate to count my chickens before they hatch.
Having a happy healthy litter born is half the battle.

the statement was made:

"For me this breeder did everything she could to please this person except for being able to sell her at the time a Dog of her Colour but was willing to keep her word when one came avaiable,"

my question is, how long is reasonab;e too wait? This person already waited while the breeder decided to change the original breeding. Then no pup from the next breeding that fit the bill. The next breeding was a false pregnancy. How long is reasonable before asking for th deposit back from a breeder that states if they don't produce the coat/color you want the deposit will be returned? Seems to me that this is about the money and only the money on the part of the breeder.

Mirasmum,

hope you are fine. You are doing what reasonable peopel should do. Thing here is - it was not the buyer beeing unreasonable - it was the breeder being stupid enough to make these promises !

Ulli