American showline dogs posting here. Why? - Page 2

 ASSLAN V KLAMME: GERMAN IMPORT IN 1970 (EARLY)
SIRE CANOT WD WIENERAU

DAM AM. CH. ZILLY V KLAMME

AM CH AND SELECT IN 1975-76. HE HAS A SISTER WHO WENT GVX IN 1975. HE ALSO HAS 2VA PROGENY AND 3 AM, CHAMPIONS.

HE WAS A GOOD BALANCE DOG WITH GOOD HEAD AND GOOD ANGULATION. I WOULD HAVE LIKED A BETTER CROUP.

OH AND HE WAS A NORMAL HIP :))

I saw Asslan in person at a national specialty show.  His pigmnet was very impressive.  His side gait was also impressive and quite correct.  He was in good condition.  He had a very full coat (unlike the photo above).  What I did not like about the dog was his apparent short neck.  The dogs proportions did not look correct to me and he looked to have a short neck.  But other than that a very nice moving dog. 

You took the words right out of my mouth (or fingers), tigermouse. The GSD world is divided into: German showline fanciers (full disclosure - I have a German showline puppy); German, Czech etc. working line fanciers (I have a working line dog); American showline fanciers (I have had Am. showline dogs); International GSD fanciers of both hochtzuchtlinie and leistung lines, as well as most likely others I haven't run into yet. And I'm not counting Shiloh shepherds, whites, and so on.

In AKC conformation rings, dogs other than American are looked down upon unless they are handled by famous and expensive handlers or produced by American breeders with impeccable longterm credentials. The Germans won't even consider an American showline GSD in the Sieger shows (usually they are correct about this -JMO). The workingline people diss everything else. BUT these are ALL GSDs. 

This database was originally a GSD database and still is one.  Yes, European training techniques are great to learn. The homeland of all our GSDs is Germany, after all. But come on, these divisions are just crazy. I know GSD owners who refuse to get involved in showing or performance of any kind because they dipped a toe into the water sometime in the past and didn't like all of the pettiness and divisions created by small minded people. Nobody likes having their dog dissed because of its parentage; this drives people away. The organizations (AKC, UScA, GSDCA, and probably others I don't get magazines from) complain that there are fewer people in dog sports and shows. Members join for a year or two then drop out. Guess what?!! It isn't just because of the work involved in the showring or performance. The members are driving people away with their petty divisions and complaints and snottiness. I see it here too. This stuff isn't about the dogs. It's about the owners' egos.

All the drama I've seen on this board in the short time I've been a member has made me regard this board as amusement for a dull afternoon or evening when it's too hot or I am too tired to be outside with my dogs. Once in a while I see a serious post with good advice and those usually come from a handful of posters. 

JMO, of course, but I suspect it's a shared opinion.

 well, unfortunatly i didn't have the chance to see him move...I was a little too young 8years old!  But heard of him trough books. at that time i had a GSD friend but it was my neibhors dog..He was ball crazy and very intelligent.  I fell in love with the breed.it's been like that for 32 years now!

sam- definitely an opinion shared by me.

to be honest with you i have been put of showing for life by small minded bigots who think they know it all....

Not too long ago the breed known as Jack Russell Terrier was split into two breeds (Jack Russell and now the Parson Russell.  Look at the cockers, they split into American Cockers and English Cockers when the American version no longer resembled the breed.  Same thing with the Foxhounds.  There are tons of breeds this has happened with.  Hell, The white GSD is now it's own breed  (White Swiss Shepherd) too.  What AKC show/breeders present as GSDs bear very little resemblance  (in temperment or conformation)  to the GSD known by most of the rest of the world.  It seems the breeders have no intention of bringing the breed back in line, in fact are happy with this creation, so why not make everyone happy, close the stud books and rename it?

As far as this message board goes, everyone is welcome whether they have a GSD or a Beagle.  Ownership of a breed or a type is not a qualification for membership.  Personally, I don't frequent the many, many  messageboards who's membership is made up of American Show Shepherd folk,  as my participation  would serve no purpose, other than to stir up controversy and arguments, and that would be rude.   

Hi Bhaugh,

I understand what you mean, it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo frustrating
to go to a dog show and feel so out of place cause your dog's ribs aren't showing as
much as the dog ahead of you, or your dogs ass isn't dragging on the mat as he rounds
the corner, or your dogs back feet haven't gotten tangled up and tripped him!

Everybody that has a German Shepherd with real German lines show or working, should make a date
to attend an AKC obedience show, all on the SAME DAY

Come'on  the time has come!

This is Theo, his sire is 100% East German, he goes to the shows with a young girl that says he can get
pionts on him, she has made CH with sporting dogs, but wants to try showing all breeds.

Below is his half sister, her sire is different but still 100% East German, when she was a pup (6 to 9 mo.)
 we went to a show and the judge loved her and couldn't wait for the puppy sweepstakes!
She said "And who do we have here" and I said "Sam" and she felt her wide thick shoulders and
ran her hands down Sam's back and all the time saying "Puppy sweepstakes-Puppy sweepstakes!"
Unfortunately, it was a blizzard that day and none of the "dogs had showed--As the judge felt her way
down Sam's back when she got to the end...she checked for....Well you know........Oops! Sam's a girl!!

Boy, I just have to say that was THE most fun I have ever had at a dog show!

Here is a picture I took of Sam today! Sam is 5 years old. Sam's mom Mira
is half American SAR dogs, and Mira's sire is 100% East German, The East
German bloodline improved bone structure.

Sam's mom below

 No Shepherd people showed up so Mira got all the ribbons!
No points, but I had an unbelievable day hanging out with my daughter and little sister in May with 80 degree temps......

I think I would worry if I got a BOB ribbon at an AKC show............... I'm looking for obedience titles.

Thanks for letting me vent, I feel much better now

www.vonryansgermanshepherds.com

Oops!  I meant conformation!

Sorry bout that!

Keep the piece!!!

Uber Land said:

"probably because the board is called "PedigreeDatabase, German Shepherd"

Exactly right! Isn't there a sub-board for American Shepherds? Maybe the OP could start one.

Good looking dogs, Mirasmom. Congratulations. And no extreme show poses. I like it.

AKC performance people are a little different than show people, in my experience. In performance, it just matters whether your dog can do what's expected. And I understand Sergio did put a CH on a German dog in AKC, so it can be done under the right judges. My complaints above were general ones, having just looked at too many glossy ads of overangulated, skinny dogs then reading in several different places about the membership dropoffs and complaints about different kinds of GSDs.