American showline dogs posting here. Why? - Page 7

At their July 2003 Board Meeting AKC passed the following resolution:

"Any club, which is eligible to hold AKC events, may conduct Schutzhund-like or Working Sport activites only with the advance written permission of The American Kennel Club. Failure to comply with this policy may result in the revocation of a club's event-giving priviledges.

"Special attractions consisiting of demos by uniformed police or military units where dogs are demonstrating the skills necessary for law enforcement and/or homeland defense may be conducted at AKC events with the written permission of The American Kennel Club".

I don't go to many shows anymore, so might have missed it, but I don't recall ever seeing a show hosting club sponsor  a "Schutzhund-like activity" or a "special attraction". Maybe an insurance issue? Just a guess. I'm pretty sure AKC does not issue Sch titles; last I heard they won't even allow hosting clubs to list those titles in the show catalogs and I don't think you'll find them on an official AKC pedigree.

July9000.  To each their own, you are entitled to your preference.

OK SO YOUR DOG CAN SNIFF A ROUND A TRACK BUT WILL PROBABLY NEVER USE IT FOR SOMETHING REALLY USEFUL EXCEPT BOOSTING YOUR EGO..OH YEEE AND HE BITES INTO A SLEEVE VERY HARD..THAT'S VERY USEFUL FOR 99% OF THE POPULATION!

I wasn't going to post till I saw this...Have you ever titled a dog in SchH??  Because you clearly don't know what it's all about.  You don't REALLY know your dog unless you do some kind of work that really tests their nerves (Like bitework).   SchH isn't meant to be used for real, it's a test of working ability and breeding suitability.  It's also a fun sport that builds a relationship with you and your dog.  Some people out there may do it to feed their ego, sure, but that is far from the norm. 

I have the CDX, TC, TDI/CGC on my dog, BUT for a Stud dog I believe this is incredibly insufficient to stand alone (as their only "working titles").... but I did it with mine more than anything to prove to ignorant people that SchH, PSD dogs are not ill tempered biting monsters. 

I have been to many many AKC GSD specialty shows and am sickened by some of the dogs that are winning their class.  Sure there are some decent looking dogs here and there, but I really have to wonder when a judge overlooks horrible cowhocks and soft ears and hands over a blue ribbon time and time again.

I personally am a Euro workingline person myslef but I do find the mild (referring to conformation) Euro Showline attractive.  One thing that Max stated is that working ability comes BEFORE conformation.  As others have told me and I'd have to agree, Capt. Max probably wouldn't like any variety of the modern GSD, but I will be willing to bet the AM bred would be on the bottom of his list. 

I have a Am bred showline... got him before I knew anything about the breed.  I quickly realized this wasn't my cup of tea and got involved with the variety that tickles my fancy.  From my experience there is NO comparison.

You said it well again Blitzen..Exactly what I wanted to say but with better words (sorry i'm french so sometimes i'm maybe not very clear!!)

And AKC do recognize schutzhund titless..but trials will never be sanction by AKC..They don't like that kind of work( i'm sure they think schutzhund will make your dog agressive!!) They will never accept people beating their dogs on the field while people are just watching saying nothing..You can't even correct your dog at a Show..You could be escorted out and never be able to show again..

Now with what I've seen in schutzhund club...we are far from a solution.and also, schutzhund trials are not enough reglemented..and sieger show will never bee accepted..It's not conform with AKC rules..

I knew I was forgetting something today.  I forgot to beat my Schutzhund dogs.  Anyone want to come watch?

MI_GSD, I have a nice 2 by 4 with rusty nails pounded into it that you can use.

Ramagsd made a  comment that most people are too weak to own a working dog.  If you ask me, if you are to weak to own a working dog, you are too weak to own a GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG. But instead of owning up to that fact and looking at a different breed, a bastardized version of the breed that vaguely resembles a GSD and acts more like a golden was created to fill that market.

Still waiting on that list...so far no one has listed ONE dog that fits the bill.

Common..we all know what,s happening on the field (read a couple of post on it and seen it with my own eyes). It's not because people don't say anything about it (like it is normal!!) that's it's not happening...

What can you do...some jerks think their virility passes trough their dogs testicules!! Too much testosterone maybe i don't know..

BUT I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF DOGS HAS THEIR ASSES KICK BECAUSE SOME IDIOT IS HAVING A BAD DAY AND THE DOG DON'T PERFORM LIKE HE WANT..IT IS DISGUSTING AND UNETHICAL AND USELESS.

What mekes me laugh is that everybody acts like this is not happening.and htey say they like dogs..it,s not thew dogs they like but the feeling of the boosting ego when they're dog perform..

You can take your stereotype and shove it, lady.  Why don't you come down to Chicago and you can see me beat my dogs firsthand.  Sorry if YOU have been exposed to a few a-holes that don't know how to work with a dog, but don't you dare assume that all sport people abuse their dogs. 

I didn't say ALL of them..I said some jerks..

And If I go to chicago I would be please to go see your schutzhund club. Like I said..much more respected club in US  than up here.

But I wasn't the only one who witness that..or maybe i'm the only one who say that I am shocked!

I'm not with a club at the moment but I know a lot of people who are and none of them beat their dogs.

I've had a busy weekend and can't read thru all the posts on this thread but its quite obvious some things never change... First off I haven't been around alot of the American Showline Shepherds in awhile but I am still open enough to imagine some of them can work. And if crossed right the offspring will be able to work. Hard competitor, probably not, but able to do the work, yes. Now how many of you who are bad mouthing the American dogs have actually been around them or personally know any?  Recently on the other board it was posted Helen Gleason an AKC judge just finished her dog a half Ger/Am male, all the way. http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/548068.html In other words HOT, and I believe B/HOT. Who here can say they have done that OR even have achieved a schutzhund  title? Another kennel in Oregon Fairway Shepherds puts titles on both ends with some of their dogs as I am sure there are alot more kennels than that. Not schutzhund but herding titles. Another thing that everyone always leaves out on trialing and training in schutzhund is the repition in all the exercises (sometimes years doing the sameo/sameo to get a title), the double lines, force tracking and force retrieves. I have always wondered where this actually makes a title breed worthy?? Anyone have an answer? Awe yes, not all schutzhund dogs should be bred, hmmm seems kinda weird then calling it a breed worthy test. To me a dog that is natural in all 3 phases without any force but a willing to please the handler is the dog that is going to be more apt to produce natural working ability and be breed worthy. My dog achieved a SchH 1 with no more than a fursaver collar, anyone else done that? That includes the outs. He was German/American. I also don't think it is necessary to have a background full of Sch titles but when a dog without the background can achieve a title, then that in itself says something. The sad part is, that dog will usually have had to work harder to get the title, and when it does it will be a fluke or still a POS to someone. Very sad. I have done both venues of training and titling and one thing I will say is I never heard anything but niceities and encouragement from the AKC people making trialing quite enjoyable . But I have seen helpers take out dogs they don't like at a young age for various reasons. I have seen alot of of back stabbing and snide remarks from schutzhund people, to the point it is embarrasing as it is done right in front or in earshot of who is being bashed. So ask yourselves, is it really a wonder why AKC people don't even try to venture into the sport when all the negatitvity, hell look at this board.