American Bred GSD Hatemail... - Page 10

You know, the beauty about the diversity of the German Shepherd Dog is, whether you like one type or another (American or German), there are decent places you can go to get a nice quality puppy like what you personally want and have a truly wonderful experience with a great breed without having to worry what this person or that person personally thinks about it or whether they approve.
And, there's enough good breeders that, if one breeder strikes you as arrogant, overbearing and hard to deal with, then you can always move on and find another who will treat you pleasantly. NO ONE has a dog, litter, or bloodlines that I just absolutely could not do without if their owner/breeder come off like a total jerk. If I am looking for something in particular, I'll just be patient and wait. Same thing with clients/buyers-good quality dogs and puppies sell themselves; sellers aren't tied down where they have to do business with anyone who is disrespectful or gives off bad vibes. First impressions do matter.

"Now, since Captain Von Stephanitz is not around to be asked personally, we have no idea what exactly he would say when faced with an American GSD, a showline German GSD, and a workingline German GSD."

Not to stir the pot again, but I'm pretty sure we do have an idea...I was just going through Stephanitz's book and he had a LOT to say about the "senseless" breeding of dogs for exterior qualities. He was pretty much criticizing the direction the show collies took, as well as finding it a bit ridiculous how the Belgian breeders were seperating their dogs by colour (he called it amateurish). For him, function defined beauty, although certainly that didn't mean ignore the dog's physical appearance completely, but the former outweighs the latter. Not to take what he says as the Bible of course, but it's certainly interesting in the face of the old show vs. working argument. They already had it way back then!

(I'm dragging this up, just because it seems somehow relevant to all the chaos that's been going on again about breed type around here, especially with the KC and all...)

jc carrol, If you are trying to justify your self as a breeder of the american lines .Our maybe you own american lines.The saying better the breed .Should be just that.Every one has a opnion on how they should look our move.This is why the sv set into motion the breed standard .Why the sv you ask. Well who better than the original  breeders of the breed.The american lines have way too many problimbs.Lets start with angulation.They are way to angulated to even move properly.This is why they would not pass a AD.The american lines breed this angulation for looks in the ring.ThIs in result is why the american lines have got there bad name.Bad hips this is the american lines worst night mare .Threw articles i have read in the past.The american lines35 TO 40 PERCENT are the highest rated bad hips in German shepherds.Then the German lines and czech lines breed on about ten too fiffteen percent bad hip ratings and then older lines East german lines about a 5 percent..Also a good breeder with knwlidge of the breed narrow down to five percent rate.As a breeder you have to think of the health and well being of the dog.Also the well being of the hundreds of dollars people buying american lines are going to spend on vet bills.Hope this helps.

ROTF LMAO!!!

Wow, Joe T, you couldn't have misread this any worse; but thankyou, you just made my morning XD

Never bred an Am.Bred. Heck, never even owned one!

My dogs consist of west german showlines, and workinglines between DDR and Czech varieties. I have no interest in personally working with the American dogs except that I have seen some that have herding titles, SAR titles, and although some may not have any structural integrity, you can find that in any poorly-bred dog, regardless of lines. I don't "hate" on a dog just because it's am Am.bred if it's sound; just as I won't automatically say: "oh, it's a german GSD so it must be superior!"

What I am saying is that regardless of what lines you go for, when any characteristic is taken to extreme, the resulting dogs become parodies of the ideal, and the results of that is never a good thing, regardless of which side of the pond the dogs are from.

 

jc carrol was there even a question in your post? sounds like a bunch of jibber jabber.If you take the time to research you will learn alot .Plenty of good articles .Search the pedigres check them out.American lines are at the bottom of the gene pool.Yes i figure they can do some work hearding maybe .search and rescue maybe. even some other sports.I really dont like the aperiance of the american lines.I think they have poor bone, bad angulation weak nerve.SOME BODY HAS TO LOVE THE UGLY ONES L.O.L. Trying to compare american lines versices german breed lines is like apples to pears they are not the same.They will eventually consider american lines as a second breed of german shepherds.

Joe, Once again, I don't think you're actually reading a word I said, so I don't think any further response to replies you might make will benefit either one of use. I'm still chuckling, and I must say there's nothing more to say until you stop filtering out what you think you see. Good luck with whatever it is you do. And I'll reitterate what I've said many times before because you just don't seem to quite be grasping it:

Breeding for extremism is always to the detriment of the breed. Doesn't matter what extreme, doesn't matter what breed. It's never a good thing.

if a german shepherd does not have good temperment ,nervs and drives to work then you do not have a german shepherd .this nis a basic standard the breed must meet.does not matter,american or german,czeck,or chinese,or mexican,or what ever.rest of the stuff you can talk shit all day long as we mostly do here.does not matter.shepherd must be judged on those qualities before any thing else. A lso the person who said they do not like adjectives like idiot and all the other ones get over it.these are part of english language and describe a certain type of individual.if some one is an idiot you can not refer to that person as oh what a nice person. do not make things boaring here.that is not why this board is here. have a nice one.