Breveto, Brevet - Page 2

Kinda sorta Elizabeth,How have you been?It's been a while

Yes, these titles "brevet" as well as "brevetto" (French and Italian) are admitted. However, I have been told that the dogs do not have to bite ehr arm, they bite anywhere they get to. At least this is what some French dogs did here in Spain at our Siegerschaus and that was the explanation. However, this is not admitted in other countries outside of France and Italy. As a matter of fact, I am not too sure if the "brevetto" in Italy is exactly the same, as I have yet to see a dog from there do the same thing, for example, bite the leg of the helper. Gertrude Besserwisser, toller Name!! Silbersee hört sich romantisch an ;-). Seid gegrüsst von Marion aus Hamburg aber in Spanien lebend! Best regards.

Hallo Marion, ich komme aus Kassel, lebe aber in den USA (bei Washington). Silbersee ist mein Zwingername nach unserem Straszennamen (Silver Lake Place). Alles Liebe, Chris

The French Ring Brevet is much more demanding than a BH. I don't know if it is as demanding as a Sch III, but certain aspects of the bitework are very advanced and require a dog with strong drive. A dog in FR can target the leg, the arm, the torso, whatever is most available. Most are taught legs first then onto other parts of the body. Teaching the targeting is really an art form as the decoy in FR is actively attempting to "equive" (cause the dog to miss it's bite attempt) and applying fairly heavy stick pressure with their clatter stick (due to the noise it makes). Dogs that are cross trained won't usually go for a leg if they are on the Schutzhund field. The sleeve is an easy and inviting target to these dogs. It is much easier for them to take a deep, full grip on a steady sleeve than a moving, evasive suit. I would warn a decoy new to the dog to not offer the dog a prey bite on the legs (by inadvertantly moving the leg when taking a bite and by not offering the sleeve as a target). A strong, well trained dog might just slam into the leg target. I'm hopefully getting my FR Brevet and FR I titles on my GSD next spring prior to focusing on Schutzhund full time. Although he is a showline dog, he is very high energy and has strong prey drive - a lot like some of the Mali's that I've seen - although he is more clear headed, lower prey drive and more substantial. I believe that FR is a great test for a dog's drive and that the top trainers of FR can be masters a maximizing a dog's drive and ability to work under stress. However, there is not generally any specific part of the FR routine that demands a dog to have been trained in defense. My trainer generally does train in defense (carefully) and is doing so with my GSD. I'd encourage anyone to go out and see a FR trial if you have one nearby. It's very enjoyable and a good way to add new methods/ideas to your training even if you only do Schutzhund.

Nice posts JochenVGW and Mike Russel. "To obtain the Brevet he dog must complete the following exercises: Heel on leash Refusal of Food Heel off leash Down/stay Defense of handler with gunfire Face (frontal) Attack General Outlook (attitude of dog/handler team)" A couple of quotes from NARA (North American Ring Association) " The Brevet must be passed in order to go on to Ring I. Once this "entry test" title is earned, the same dog may not compete for it again. This brief, 15 minute test is very difficult to pass. The entrant must earn 80 of the 100 available points including 80% of the available points for each of the 30-point protection exercises." " In the FACE ATTACK the handler commands the dog to "stay" behind the line of departure. The decoy, beginning about 10 yards from the dog, threatens the dog, hoping to make him break his stay. He then runs downfield of the dog to 30 to 50 yards, where he turns and agitates again. Upon hearing the judge's horn, the handler sends his dog. The decoy agitates the whole while, attempting to frighten or slow the down the dog. He may then attempt to side step the dog to make him miss his entry or he may create a fast and threatening " barrage " with the noisy, split bamboo stick, hoping to hold the dog off. When the dog bites, the decoy fights him, trying to intimidate him into quitting, losing his bite or getting so angry that he won't let go on command. After 15 seconds, the judge signals the handler to out and recall his dog. The decoy freezes AFTER the "out" command or whistle. The dog has 30 seconds to return to his owner. The only exception to this is the face attack in Brevet, when the handler has an option of having his dog out and guard." "DEFENSE OF HANDLER requires that the decoy approach from one end of the field, the dog and handler from the other; they meet, shake hands and converse, say "good-bye", pass each other, then the decoy sneaks up behind the handler to aggress him. The dog is permitted to bite at the moment of the aggression. He fights for 10 seconds, is called out, he guards automatically, and then is recalled. In the Brevet only, the decoy shoots a handgun two times when the dog bites."

You can find much more information here... http://www.ringsport.org/ This is NARA, the governing body for French Ringsport in the U.S..

Thanks Meandererer for bringing that back for us to read.

Like Jochen said, go out and watch a french ring trial. It's cool stuff.

I have and I will again, Selectif id here at the end of the month. =)