Photos of Sables requested, clarification of "black sable" vs. "red sable" etc - Page 2

"Officially" Schwarz-braun-grau, Maske (Black sable with brown markings, Mask)

V Carol vom Arolser Holz, SchH3, FH2, KK1 -  NASS 2007

this is one of my sables .she changes colors with the season she is dark most of the time but not black .she turns a nice red shade some times and well she;s like a box of chocolates as forest gump said you dont know what you got till ya take a ......i say that about all shepherd their like a box of chocolate ya never know what color they;ll end up as.

Shell that has to be the most beautiful dog I ever seen. Wow, how is his work?

Grau-gelb, Maske (Gray & gold, Mask) (both photos a little over-exposed, )

Bijou vom Dreilutzower Schloss

Does the black sable always have the penciling on the toes like true bicolors do? 

Is the undercoat of Carol vom Arolser Holz red or black?  He is very pretty, but looks to have a redder undercoat....so I'm still confused as to WHAT makes a black sable a black sable.

Susie

Shell that has to be the most beautiful dog I ever seen. Wow, how is his work?

That's my stud dog, Carol (call name "T"), currently hogging the sofa beside me.  He is actually 2x V in the German Sieger Show (Messler and Orschler) even though he doesn't have a drop of show line blood in his entire body. LOL His work is excellent, but he broke a couple of teeth this year, so no more protection competition.  He has 100 pts. in FH1. I plan to enter him in the N.A. Championship FH next spring. (The historical domain of the semi-retired dog, ha ha ha) The most unusual thing about him is his big, open gait, which he passes on to his progeny (several titled to SchH1-3, KK1 already, more almost ready for SchH1/Korung)

LOTS more pix of T: http://www.frauengarten.net/Carol1.html

The handsome guy in the scratch pants is Kyle.

Here is one of T's daughters: V3 Walberta vom Arolser Holz, SchH1, FH1, KK1 (actually, I think she has SchH3 now)

Does the black sable always have the penciling on the toes like true bicolors do? NO.

 Is the undercoat of Carol vom Arolser Holz red or black?  Depends on where you pull it out on his body. Some places undercoat is gray, some places tan, some red-brown.  Guard hair is three different colors on each hair, from gray to tan or brown and black at the ends. He is very pretty, but looks to have a redder undercoat....Redder on legs, head, neck... so I'm still confused as to WHAT makes a black sable a black sable. Basically, its an overall impresion. Stand back. If the largest area of the sable looks black, there you have it. If a sable looks mostly gray, tan or red, its not a black sable. Most black sables have dark belly hair.

Honestly, he doesn't have green legs. Pic taken with flash..

Black sable - DDR/Czech male, 2 years old

Sable - Xpresso von Hayden, 11 months

Light sable - West German workingline male, 2 years old

Yvette

Shell I have new found respect for you, thanks to that dog, he is the most beautiful male I seen in a long azzzzzz time :) I think after owning dog like that I would never buy another dog :) would be afraid that other my not live up to the expectation lol. :) Shell do you have any working videos of that dog. I love him :) lol I think I am turning gay or something because I just felt in love in a dog lol :0)

If you like T, you would have loved my old dog, Carol's great-uncle Pallo. They are almost the same dog as far as work and temperament, but Pallo was more compact, shorter back and heavier. Shelley is infamous for entering good looking gray working dogs in Sieger Shows. At least the crowd remembers the protection work, even if some judges won't look at them.  LOL.

V Pallo vom Arolser Holz, SchH3, KK1  (below in 2000 NASS, KY)