HELP with AKC - Page 5

3crzygsd's...Re your post:
Kim changes the stories all the time and I am not here for that. I have known Kim since she sent me the dog sold to me by Daniela, "Gesi von uns Heimaturt", for which Kim was caregiver on Daniela's behalf....Kim was ripped off by Daniela for care cost of this dog for over a year prior to Daniela selling her to me, and then further ripped off for the money Kim paid out on Daniela's behalf in shipping the dog to me. Daniela was to reimburse Kim for these funds, but still to date has not...and never will I am sure.  Kim has not changed her story about the situation with Nando.  Much of this she simply didn't know would become a problem at the time Nando first came over from Europe because there hadn't yet surfaced reasons to suspect Daniela at the time. Now I know first hand how devilish Daniela has been to her, as well as to myself, in the way of lies told us by Daniela, and promises made regarding paperwork that to this day have not been fulfilled by Daniela as pertains to my dog purchase and those dogs which Kim had the misfortune to be connected to Daniela with.  It is Daniela who is causing the trouble with getting your dog registered, and this is due to Daniela not providing Nando's pink paperwork to Kim IMMEDIATELY upon the date this sire entered the country... where he was and still remains residing with Kim.  The time frame of Kim taking ownership of Nando dates back well before the date that incorrectly shows Jonathan as Nando's owner (for a day) prior to ownership being awarded to Kim after successfully obtaining this through the courts.  Jonathan was never owner of this dog...Daniela simply listed that date of ownership transfer to Jonathan in order to keep Kim from getting litters registered due to the date of ownership transfer she purposely listed there. That is all Daniela's doing, and this is what presents the problem with your puppy registration.  
I did not mention her name because I was looking for ideas and help.  That is why I joined this site.  This statement appears now to be different than it first seemed in your post.

I was only ever nice to Kim I was a customer but she turns on everyone. I dont know Danielle she is not my friend. She is a dog person who provided info when I was trying to figure out what the hell was going on~ Of all the people you could have sought out to help you figure out what was going on, how is it that you would find (and trust) Daniela for advice on this matter?  She is the sole reason this problem exists... PERIOD!!  I don't believe that you don't know Daniela either.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3crzygsd's...Re your post:

BUT...there is a big lesson here so even when people appear to be on the up and up they are not!  This is true and you will learn just how true as you continue to align yourself with Daniela believing her story about this situation...it is only a matter of time before you are no longer of use to her and then I seriously caution you to be very careful not to trust her and stay clear of any future dog deals involving her.

Somewhere is the truth....and frankly I dont care what it is .  This statement is shocking to me...you should care a great deal. If you did, then you could put your energy rightfully in the correct direction to help get this problem corrected by working with those who truly have every intention to try to get this straightened out...You have blinders on if you can't see that Daniela is spurring this situation on with her lies only for her own benefit to get back at Kim because she was awarded ownership in Court against Daniela.  Daniela had her chance to file an appeal in court...she made noise that she was going to do so, but did not file. Now instead she has doctored information about Nando's ownership within his papertrail coming over from Europe. 

Thank you everyone for your PMs with advise and your right I wont be bullied.

Will let the AKC and my lawyer deal with this.

It is amazing the lies....now my dog is pet quality and 1800 included delivery for a pet without papers.

Not gonna continue this pissing match with a pathetic excuse for a breeder on this forum.

If anyone would like to see my contract for a working dog etc I will be happy to provide.

This is truly amazing but let it be a lesson learned and BUYER BEWARE!

Thanks Kim and the Karma police and legal system will in fact catch up with you!

 

Carolyn,
I know that Kim is doing everything within her power to get paperwork obtained for all puppies she has whelped. 

I request you post your offer of providing your contract proof as you state above, showing that indeed you did not purchase a pet quality dog. I'd like to compare the two.

Carolyn, I have read the copy of your purchase contract with Kim on Voxi.

If you can't or won't post the contract, would you rather Kim post the contract after she is advised to proceed by her attorney, since this is ongong litigation.

$1800 is not necessarily an outrageous amount for a quality pet. People may have their opinions but as many times as puppy prices have been debated on this forum it's clear that there is no "right answer". Nevertheless, whether or not the dog was $1800 or $18 or $18,000 really has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

Ok i was staying out of it because this is stuff shouldn't be out in a forum. Carolyn asked for info on how to go about getting papers for her dog. PERIOD. She never mentioned names or kennel. Kim grow up. The only right thing you did was apologize. You can't blame Carolyn for wanting papers for a dog she paid $1,800 for. That's not small change to some people. Regardless if it's a pet or not, the person deserves papers unless the breeder mentioned PRIOR to purchase that there will be no papers. I remember when you knew you couldn't get the papers and you told Carolyn that she doesn't need the papers yet. She'll get them when she gets a BH. Remember that????? You even wanted her to lie for you about your other court case.

You also said that Madelyn bought a pet puppy from you but you know that is bull. Madelyn is a breeder and bought the dog for  Breeding. She could keep one of her own pups for a pet. It seems that that is your excuse for every dog that doesn't have papers.

And poor Liz. You trying to take a dog back from a woman who loves and treats the dog like no other. Why? Because she wouldn't give you the dog to take back to your kennel to breed. She never refused you breeding, she just didn't want you to take the dog because she'd never see the dog again. She has every right to believe that. You gave her papers and tricked her to give you the papers back and now you refuse to give her the papers for the dog. Is that what good breeders do? You tried to come and get the dog and the court refused you. You said the dog is mistreated, fat and overweight, the dog can't work. Check out my website and you'll see the dog work. The dog has a BH and is working towards her SchHA. She uses the dog as a therapy dog. If i was a breeder i would love for one of my dogs to go to a home like that. Plus why would you use the excuse that you want to breed the dog. The dog wasn't titled. You breed untitled dogs??? The one thing i liked about you was you always made sure your dogs were titled. So i don't believe you wanted to take the dog to breed. I believe you weren't going to give her back.

Bottom line is there are people out there who don't have papers because of you. You and everyone else can blame DH but the fact is you kept breeding a dog you didn't have papers for. Only person to blame is yourself.

And Czech DDR Lover, Who are you???? You don't know Carolyn to say anything that she says is false.And who are you request Carolyn to do anything. AND she doesn't know Daniela on a  personal level, so let them handle the situation and don't slander someone you don't know.

   Mark Barish

www.ultimatekanine.com

Scanning everthing at work tomorrow to forward to AKC Dispute Center and this lovely trail to my lawyer and will be happy to provide everyone with copies of my docs.....

No problem there at all..

Bottom line is there are people out there who don't have papers because of you. You and everyone else can blame DH but the fact is you kept breeding a dog you didn't have papers for. Only person to blame is yourself.

Mark, thanks for interjecting your perspective, but You are wrong about the problem with papers on Nando being because of Kim...Paperwork problem exists solely due to DH..

And Czech DDR Lover, Who are you???? You don't know Carolyn to say anything that she says is false.And who are you request Carolyn to do anything. AND she doesn't know Daniela on a  personal level, so let them handle the situation and don't slander someone you don't know.
No, I don't know Carolyn.  Never said I did.  However, she is unjustly slandering Kim publicly without cause. Carolyn herself offered to post her contract which she said offers proof of her contesting that she did not buy dog as a pet.  "If anyone would like to see my contract for a working dog etc I will be happy to provide". I simply requested that she do so. I have seen the contract  for Voxi, and Kim indeed sold the dog as a pet/ working with limited registration.  Carolyn was informed of the court case which in fact was awarded to Kim proving she was owner of Nando, whereby Kim continued following the steps given her by both AKC and the SV in order to then free up paperwork on the resulting  litters.   However Daniela has thrown in her monkey wrench which is preventing paperwork on these pups in question because of her wrongly signing over the dog to Jonathan, dating this transfer of ownership to him well after the breedings occurred, as a ploy knowing full well that in so doing this would create havick with the litters Nando had produced for Kim.  Purely intentional on the part of DH, knowing full well what she was doing.  My purpose here is to back up Kim's facts because I know the truth and have seen Voxi's contract which proves how the dog was sold.  Your roadblock with papers is not because of Kim, it is because of Daniela Huppe.
 I have also been ripped off by Daniela and know exactly how she works. I paid $5,500.00 to DH for a breeding female of East German pedigree...papers in order, no problem she said..then sent her another 440.00 for shipping the dog to me, which Kim was caring for on behalf of DH and actually paid out of her own pocket...with the promise from DH to reimburses Kim.  Kim never has been, obviously never will be. Dog was NOT a breeding female and DH knew this.  I have already discussed the scam she did on me, and have it documented in full disclosure on my website. Still to this day I have not received pink papers on this female.  She has since been spayed and placed in a pet home.  My continual efforts in this thread and others are to expose the fraud and illegal dog deals that DH continues to scam on people in the hope of preventing if only a few people from her harm in the future.

The responsibility falls on the breeder of the litter.  The puppy buyer  has every right to be upset with the breeder and should get a full refund if papers are not provided pet , or no pet. 

   

SchHbabe 1800.00 dollars for a pet out of working lines  with no papers is outrageous you know that, come on.  I wouldn't pay 5.00 for a puppy out of a BSP winner with no paperwork delivered to my front door or not.