A CONFORMATION TEST in GSD WORKING TRIALS - REQUIRED - Page 3

This is where my point comes out, dogs that can't do the work, mimimum full SCH rutine before the conformation (not 5 or 6 years ego) should not be allowed to participate. GSD is a working dog first, than comes conformation, nothing wrong with haveing good working dog that looks good at the same time, but over angulation as presented in many showline dogs should be not allowed.

And nothing wrong with working people come out with the working test. Working test should be diverse enough to assure that GSD can perform in any kind of work, no excuses, no pain no glory :) 

Videx, I have no problem with the concept "if", the conformation criteria that is utilized is the conformation criteria that was used WHEN show and working dogs were the same dog. Many working people feel strongly that current show structure is incapable of high work standards. I'm not going to go there, but I do believe that it stands to reason that when TOP show dogs were TOP working dog producers, is the last time we had it RIGHT on either account. Soooo lets agree that the conformation standard should reflect the structure of Bernd, Marko, Mutz, Held v Ritterberg, and the other dogs of that period that were TOP conformation dogs and produced top working dogs. This is reality in terms of show vs working as these types did both....these latter day dogs have not demonstrated that the structure that is approved today is capable of "producing" working dogs in either sport or working. The concept is good....the application must be based on what is proven.

I am with Gustav on that one. We should go back to the time when the dog's could work and conform at the same time. Overangulation should not be allowed. GSD should be a dog that is capable of working, being perfect companion, and a good representaion of the breed all at the same time.

 reason and others with similar comments. You appear to forget the GSD at the Sieger Show - Working Class ALL have Schutzhund qualifications. 
THEY STILL HAVE TO PASS THE SCHUTZDIENST TO COMPETE IN THE WORKING CLASS.

ALL GSD in GSD National & International Working Trials should be scored on their conformation, and ALL SHOULD STILL COMPETE

I have NOT suggested any reduction in the working ability - I have simply and seriously suggested an improvement in their conformation standard.

IT WILL DEFINITELY COME

It is on my website in 20 LANGUAGES

 

LOOK HERE: http://www.videxgsd.com/conformation_grade_TRIALS.htm

 

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Videx

Am glad we agree as that is my point exactly the work dogs have also undergone the SAME survey

"You appear to forget the GSD at the Sieger Show - Working Class ALL have Schutzhund qualifications" sure they do. Requirment to compete in working trial on national level would eliminate all the one that got their classification in questionable manner as well assure that they are the top of the crop. After all VA title should be awarded to only top dogs in the world.  I am advocating this requirment only for dog's that will strive for the "VA"  and be the true represantation of the breed standards.

This is a "public detabase", weather you agree or disagree with other people "mentality" it's your problem no one else. Can't deal with it, press the x on the top of your window, it should solve your issues. lol