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Oaken, thanks for that. It is so nice to have amusement in nowadays serious boring adult world. Now I do know why in medival times jesters were kept around. Sheers to you, Chris

Sheplovr, I am curious, I haven't been to your website in quite a while due to it's eye pain to read. But, I have been hearing pieces and parts of posts with the some people here quoting your feelings on Schutzhund training etc. Some of it looks quite plagerized from another puppy mill in SW Missouri area and I quote their statements (kennel name withheld though and a lot of it resonates what you have presumably said on your website. SW Kennel says: 16.) What does all this "hoopla" about Conformation titles, CH. titles and Schh titles really mean ? Does it guarantee I will get a good GSD and why or why not? Please help me sort this out. It is our opinion that Conformation titles and Obedience titles are somewhat outdated tools that are sometimes used by breeders to try to help them select which animals might produce well when bred to another. In the case of working and obedience titles, which are basically and quite simply just complex pattern training exercises, a marginal candidate can, if trained by and exceptional trainer - exceed all expectations. Illustrating not it's excellent genetic traits, but rather it's trainer's exceptional ability. The reverse is also true, an incredible genetic specimen, which if broken down by a poor trainer would probably be weeded out of a breeding program, by these same inaccurate measuring tools. If you think about it, it's quite obvious, it's just common sense. In most cases these events are demonstrating the trainers ability more than the actual genetic ability of the dog to pass on any fantastic trait. At their best they are, in our opinion, simply inaccurate and coarse indicators of possible correct genetics. The real proof is in the actual breeding.The resulting progeny are the only clear accurate measure of the parents abilities to produce excellent quality pups, not some artificial obstacle course that the parents have been repeatedly trained to excel at. I have seen many times, Schutzhund 3 FH bred to Schutzhund 3 FH and the resulting litter had not even one pup that was note worthy. If a dog has titles or not, does not matter to me. It's whether or not that dog produces progeny with exceptional qualities consistently that really matters. "The proof is always in the pudding" so to speak... I can give you lots and lots of satisfied customers to speak with to prove my point. Not just people who are simply satisfied with their GSD's and their interaction with us, but quite simply ELATED! See for yourself at our "Letters of Reference Page". AND Question #22 cut for content to Sch topic only: The people who come to us do not want those attributes. They just are not interested in how many times the grandmother of their pup was Schh 3 or how many "pounds per square inch" of biting strength their puppy will have or how many lashes with a stick their puppy's father could take before he folded under, during such abuse in a Schutzhund trial. They are just normal people who simply want a really good companion that they can always count on. We breed for good sound, working companion dogs that are easy to live with. There is a small minority of people and breeders who are obsessed with the competition of Sport or Show type of German Shepherd and think that all German Shepherds should be bred to their narrow minded views and rigid standards only!!! ACHTUNG! To those people we say "Wake up and smell the Wiener schnitzel" "You can have the best of both Worlds!" Typically, our clients quite simple want healthy, intelligent, high bonding, large boned, beautiful German Shepherds that they can fully trust and truly enjoy!" We provide such wonderful German Shepherds to those people and they are elated! See for yourself at our "Letters of Reference Page". Mel

ever since she changed the whole format of her website very little of her own words and writing are located on it for the very reason you pointed out and now all the things that were on it negative about Sv and schutzhund and breeders is gone too. She has made a living from others anything she can parrot. I had wondered if her daughter or a hired person had started writing for her thank you Melody Grey for clearing up the mystery of how her site suddenly became readable even if it is poor information.