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by MaggieMae on 11 February 2010 - 17:02
In l983 the GSD went into the Herding Group -- prior to that time, there was no Herding Group, just the Working Group.
by George the Retard on 11 February 2010 - 17:02
by LAVK-9 on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
GTR!!!! You are silly. Not exactly to do with the topic.lol
by George the Retard on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
no but it is the twilight zone and everytime i step in it is a mad house
it is ok cause most cant stay on topic anyways.
gtr
it is ok cause most cant stay on topic anyways.
gtr
by CrysBuck25 on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
I wouldn't buy from any breeder that said his or her dogs were perfect. That would be a big turnoff. No GSD is perfect, not even Horand von Grafrath. Herr von Stephanitz chose him to base his new breed upon because he most closely embodied the ideal that he was looking for. The total package is what the breed should be, and I hear people here saying that if your dog is even slightly social towards anyone but his family, he's not a true GSD. Should a GSD temperament mean that the dog has to be kept behind a ten foot wall, isolated from the whole entire world because he might decide to bite someone?
No. It seems the ideal temperament is a dog that does rely as much on his own judgement of a person as yours, willing to fight and protect, but not vicious. A dog that will do anything you ask, but not so dangerous that he can't be trusted with the family.
It's true that a GSD shouldn't have the easy going temperament of the Golden. But there are so many ideas of what the ideal temperament is that no one agrees on what is right or wrong for them. And that kind of "diversity" or perhaps I should say, lack of unity, is what leads breeders to make claims like Heidelberg...Your dogs are perfect in your eyes, garbage in someone else's.
Whatever makes you happy, I guess, but regardless of what classification the AKC puts on the breed, Herr von Stephanitz asked that his breed be kept a WORKING DOG. Doesn't get much plainer than that. Black and white. Bottom line, we need to do something with our working dogs...Even if that work is a five mile walk a few times a week. They need the mental stimulation of some kind of training, whether that be Schutzhund, tracking, obedience, herding...They need to work.
That's just my opinion, of course, and if you aren't the type who really wants to get out and work the dogs, then fine, there are GSD being bred that are happy to do nothing (although they do tend to be destructive, from what I hear, when they have nothing to do). But those dogs should be few and far between, as this is a working breed (herding, by the way, is work)
Crys
No. It seems the ideal temperament is a dog that does rely as much on his own judgement of a person as yours, willing to fight and protect, but not vicious. A dog that will do anything you ask, but not so dangerous that he can't be trusted with the family.
It's true that a GSD shouldn't have the easy going temperament of the Golden. But there are so many ideas of what the ideal temperament is that no one agrees on what is right or wrong for them. And that kind of "diversity" or perhaps I should say, lack of unity, is what leads breeders to make claims like Heidelberg...Your dogs are perfect in your eyes, garbage in someone else's.
Whatever makes you happy, I guess, but regardless of what classification the AKC puts on the breed, Herr von Stephanitz asked that his breed be kept a WORKING DOG. Doesn't get much plainer than that. Black and white. Bottom line, we need to do something with our working dogs...Even if that work is a five mile walk a few times a week. They need the mental stimulation of some kind of training, whether that be Schutzhund, tracking, obedience, herding...They need to work.
That's just my opinion, of course, and if you aren't the type who really wants to get out and work the dogs, then fine, there are GSD being bred that are happy to do nothing (although they do tend to be destructive, from what I hear, when they have nothing to do). But those dogs should be few and far between, as this is a working breed (herding, by the way, is work)
Crys
by beetree on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
Hey LAV, does it matter? Linebreeding is inbreeding from what I understand. And yes, people have been saying, the only dogs from abroad to come here are the want-nots, but I think that is changing. The perception lingers, though. You just aren't going to convince the "working/sport" dog people to use Am showlines in their breedings. The reverse (Am showline breeders breeding to workinglines) seems to be a more approachable idea.
by Kimmelot on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
Keith , Snap-on wrench 33mm Vs Craftsman 33mm - Some people like the guarantee of Snap-on , some people like the convenience of buying Craftsman from Sears. I am not saying that an over-sized or undersized dog is right or wrong. I am saying it is not your right , nor mine to decide what people see threw there eyes as "Near Perfection"
Stop judging others if you don't know them , if you have never worked there dogs, if you have never been on there property - let alone just one email with them - it is not for you to JUDGE others.
Stop judging others if you don't know them , if you have never worked there dogs, if you have never been on there property - let alone just one email with them - it is not for you to JUDGE others.
by Keith Grossman on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
I don't think I judged anyone; simply pointed out that there is a standard and it is there for a reason.
by LAVK-9 on 11 February 2010 - 18:02
From what I have been told when doing a breeding you want something that compliments the lines that you have.It doesn't mean to go and dog "X" bred to it's grandfather.As far as I have been told a long time ago that a 2-2 breeding was a bit too close for comfort.
As for the want -nots.I think if you don't know the breeder over seas or have some kind of connection or clue of what you are looking at yea...they would probably send something that is of lesser quality.If it was good why would they want to let it go?
JMO
~L~
As for the want -nots.I think if you don't know the breeder over seas or have some kind of connection or clue of what you are looking at yea...they would probably send something that is of lesser quality.If it was good why would they want to let it go?
JMO
~L~
by Kimmelot on 11 February 2010 - 19:02
"No, Maggie, I did not. I've seen this same argument used for decades and it's ridiculous. I'm convinced that most people don't want a real GSD, they want a Golden Retriever in a GSD body so that's what these people breed. " Keith
Your so convinced that most people dont want a "Real GSD' , what are they then ? Make believe ? This is a very judgemental statment.
And then judge me about wrenches ?? You don't know me ! I have helped many times work on bikes, quads, and our 82 4x4 Toyota PU that has had 3 motors and a new tranny. I know wrenches. Judge not .. that is my only point ..
Some people are so fixated on there own ideals they cannot see outside of there little box. Other people have ideals different than yours- and because we where given Gods free will , we should be able to have and create what we want. You want a smart- hard headed working dog - go for it, I want a big American loyal, smart and calmer dog I will have it , even if I have to make it out of your German Dog.
If you don't like it, don't buy an American dog and don't sell your dogs to Americans.. so there :P
Your so convinced that most people dont want a "Real GSD' , what are they then ? Make believe ? This is a very judgemental statment.
And then judge me about wrenches ?? You don't know me ! I have helped many times work on bikes, quads, and our 82 4x4 Toyota PU that has had 3 motors and a new tranny. I know wrenches. Judge not .. that is my only point ..
Some people are so fixated on there own ideals they cannot see outside of there little box. Other people have ideals different than yours- and because we where given Gods free will , we should be able to have and create what we want. You want a smart- hard headed working dog - go for it, I want a big American loyal, smart and calmer dog I will have it , even if I have to make it out of your German Dog.
If you don't like it, don't buy an American dog and don't sell your dogs to Americans.. so there :P
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