Strut vom Eichenluft BH - Page 3

Thanks from me too - I am very proud to be the breeder who made the choices and owned the dogs that produced this super pup - I also am glad I kept the equally as impressive sister Sabre - and another female pup from the same dam.  Barb keeps me up to date regularly about Strut's progress and I can't say enough how happy I am that she chose to get a pup from me!  Thanks Barb for raising this super girl - she has a very exciting future with you!

this is a video of Strut and Sabre 9 weeks old - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3GJKhcNNs

molly
Eichenluft
http://workinggermanshepherd.com

Nice video Molly!
I just googled your website after watching Strut's video :-)  Very impressive. You have some very nice breedings planned for 2010, I wish you the best. It's nice to see breeders here in the US that have high standards and though I don't know you personally, it seems you take a great interest in where your puppies go and how they are progressing.
Stacy

Hi again Barb, yes I train with Gustavo Sanchez, he is a very nice person. Here is a film from November.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC_9HLMbWtk
If you are not too far from me you must be getting lots of snow also,  suckie weather. We train out in this when it is not too cold for the dogs. Gus plows our pattern on the training field for us, he does not want to see the dogs or us get hurt in this deep stuff. He also has a small trailer with heat in it so we do not get chilled after we work our dogs. Have fun training :)
and keep up the good work.
Always,
Cee

disclaimer...I only know about table training from what I read....

May I ask why a table was needed to supposedly tap into the dogs defense?  I like the dog!

ron

Judron, looks like it saves the guy's back when they staredown the dog. At least that is what it looks like to me. I"ll probably just never be doing it to my dog. The dog didn't seem to mind it though, had that happy tail going.

Ron, Randy wanted to continue to increase intensity in the bark and Strut's  focus on him.  We have had really bad weather for any training outdoors and have the table so he chose to help our indoor efforts in this way.  Glad you like her.

For others who would like to read a nice article about using table, Nate Harves has a good review on his site, Sportwaffen K9.  Barb

The table isn't the answer to all things nor necessary for a dog but it does have some nice practical applications. It takes the dog off of the ground (which increases stress) and limits a dogs area to engage in flight or fight. It is great for working on grips and control of the dog after the grips as you see Barb doing. (How many times have we trained with people that didn't have the ability to support a nice calm hold because dog was thrashing and overpowering the handler.) It is good for working with a dog that is developing or already has "spinning" behavoir on the leash or pole. But successful table work is primarily contigent on the ability of the trainer/decoy to understand dog drives and reward and execute proper timing. We use tables and boxes in our SDA club. A couple months ago, a regional level certified trial helper wanted to work my dog on the table. I had to stop the work because he was working the dog like he does prey dogs in Sch training and the table is more effective in working on strengthening defensive responses. Didn't hurt the dog because the dog is very strong, but very apparent he was not reading the dog but going through prey bitework approaches. In the video Randy is doing nice job of working this dog in non prey mode at first and resulting in nice hard calm bite on the table. Hope this is not confusing.

Gustav,
Excellent answer. 

I would add that I do utilize a table with our Police dogs periodically.  It gives me the ability to work on any equipment fixation issues we feel a dog may have.  With some high prey drive dogs after a couple of sessions you can lay a sleeve or two on the table and the dog will step over the sleeve to bite the decoy for real.  It has the advantage over post work of being safer for the decoy.  I can get within inches of the dog and not get bit.  I can reach in and touch the dog and pressure the dog (you have to be very quick).  With the experienced K9's I will get much closer than what was shown in the video enabling me to add more pressure and release the pressure when appropriate.  It is impressive to watch a dog step over a sleeve and go directly for the decoy.  It also gives us the ability to turn the dog on and turn the dog off on command, that is one of the goals of the table work. 

The decoy did a very nice job in the video with this dog and the dog responded well.  I would also say that this is not the type of training where you build a table in your garage, put your dog on it and have your buddy work it.  You need to work with some one experienced as was done in the video.

JMO FWIW,

Jim

Does anyone see this dog go right back into prey when the helper picks up the sleeve...notice the difference in the barking and ears''''I am not discussing the table here...just the whole defense thing.

I believe the sleeve needs to be removed from the picture period. I would suggest developing the bark through suspicion...JMHO

Good Luck
ron