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by beast on 30 April 2010 - 22:04

 To each their own as I always say....

My method is very easy to criticize. I personally thought it was bogus until I had the opportunity to meet an ethologist at my local University. He explained things a bit to me, which piqued my interest and caused me to further investigate this method.

I should also add; I've only trained two dogs from puppyhood - perhaps that's why I've had such success. They've never had the opportunity to engage in "bad" behaviors. They learned how to act from the very beginning so I've never had to "deal with those behaviors" to the extent of many(no my dogs are not perfect, but they're certainly a joy to be around and always have been).  As I said before, I do this method no justice. If you're interested in learning more about it, do a search on canine ethology. This method is backed by science, which is why I was drawn to it. Contrary to popular belief - It IS natural. 

 

But I'm not here to argue the merits of my training method on a forum that primarily engages in +P.  Just thought I'd offer a different  "flavor" in case others out there are interested in learning about other methods.

P.S I don't like Victoria either. 


yoshy

by yoshy on 30 April 2010 - 22:04

It always amuses me how many uneducated responses arise when discussing an ecollar and how ignorant some of the suggestions of its use are. Maybe if some of you spent some time learning about this tools application you wouldnt dismiss it so easily.

Dont get me wrong i am all for traditional training! However the ecollar is a tool with endless applications when used efficiently.

It always amazes me that people say use the ecollar as a last resort for breaking bad habits or problem offleash. WOW. When you have problems with a dog offleash. what do you do in traditional work. You take a step back put the leash back on and continue to work through the proofing phase with your dog on the specific behavior. Not suddenly slap and ecollar on the dog and punish him. You also dont use the collar to simply punish a dog for trash raiding or fence jumping.
These suggestions are the number one reason for a dog fearing the collar and becoming collar dependant as well as them being seen in a negative light by the public. Also proofing and or a collar overlay is the second most common reason for dependency. These uses listed are the most widely used and yet the most unefficient and problematic ways to use the ecollar. So maybe people should think about what they write before doing so.


 


deathrow dogpack

by deathrow dogpack on 30 April 2010 - 22:04

no one is saying that your method has no merit beast.  i feel as dog trainers, we have to look into our "bag of tricks" and use what method works.  i think you have to use all of the methods available.  to say "i am only positive reinforcement"  or "i am strictly an e-collar guy"  is missing the boat.  we would be hard pressed to find many of the top level competitors to say their dog was trained using only one method. 

a correction in training should be healthy.  for your dog to have avoided this can be unhealthy.  when under a stressful situation,  if the dog has never experienced a correction, two things could occur.  one, the dog will try to eat you.  second the dog could go into complete shutdown,  taking a very long time to bounce back.

i respect your input and much can be learned from other types of methods.  we all have different presets on our car radio.

Wolfinbok

by Wolfinbok on 01 May 2010 - 00:05


Victoria Stillwell isn't the same lady who wrote the article
(Let me be your Electric sex Poodle) ?
And no, don't say wishful thinking.

BabyEagle4U

by BabyEagle4U on 01 May 2010 - 01:05

I can't stand that lady. Or those Nannies. LOL

Wolfinbok

by Wolfinbok on 01 May 2010 - 01:05


Loved the clip of the Mini Dachshund Mike was training.
Did you know that the Dachshund is the Number #1
breed in Germany. I don't think I would use the E-collar
on a Mini Dachshund, There piddlers, they pee pee when
they get excited. Cute little dickens.

GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 01 May 2010 - 02:05

Well, many on here have stated how or when NOT to use an e-collar, but none ever goes into how to use it properly.  I have one and don't use it because I don't want to use it incorrectly.  There are no classes that I have found locally and I know none that use it, other than for "problems".  So, how do you learn?  What ARE the proper uses?  Where do you find info?

It's like the Masons, a social secret.

Wolfinbok

by Wolfinbok on 01 May 2010 - 02:05

GSDT,
             If you have  already trained your dog to sit, stay, come.
Than use it as a fine tune on that. It is not an evil device,
get a good one. Anyone can abuse it as you can imagine.
But don't be afraid of using it. Get a basic DVD on how to
properly use it and start there. The thing is, it is very fast an effective.
Anyone who has competed in dog trails will tell you it is
a great tool. A mild shock at a low setting,  is a minor discomfort,
an allows you to keep the dog happy and directs him at the same time.
Most Manufacturers have DVDs to choose from.

GSDtravels

by GSDtravels on 01 May 2010 - 02:05

Things I don't understand...  If you use a low setting, why are there multiple settings and when do you use it at the highest, if ever?  If, even on a low setting, it causes discomfort, how does that keep the dog "happy"?  All training involves solving problems so, if it's another tool, why WOULDN'T you use it for a severe problem?  What is the first step, or introduction, if you will?  Do you ever wean from use altogether?  Why is the proper use shrouded in such mystery?  If there are those that are confident in using it, why is there never an in-depth discussion as opposed to touching on it but never really giving good examples of misuse and proper use?  Is it that difficult to learn or grasp?


BlackthornGSD

by BlackthornGSD on 01 May 2010 - 03:05

Here's an excellent blogpost about some research done on e-collar use:

smartdogs.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/see-no-evil-read-no-evil-cite-no-evil/





 


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