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by sueincc on 01 May 2010 - 21:05
Have fun tomorrow.
P.S. Maybe tomorrow you can have a talk with your hero. Once he has given you an understanding of how an ecollar is CORRECTLY used, come on back and let's have an intelligent discussion, until then you are just spouting giberish as evidenced by your last post.
by steve1 on 02 May 2010 - 14:05
You guess wrong on all counts, The problem with you is that you exaggerate everything a person posts if it upsets you
Yes wrong again, i have held a collar and i have tested it on my self at a point of up to a sting of 60. Not nice for an animal at all, i would guess with your nature you really would wind it up on your dog to get yourself noticed.
As for any hero's i might had they died years ago there have been none present in my life since 1969
.My one line post was picked up only by you no other guy on here because it hurt you or the truth in it, you would be incapable of training a dog for any purpose without an e collar you depend on it to get you through your training of your dog, for whatever purpose take that instrument out of your hand you are done for, laughable to say the least and pathetic a grown woman with a loud mouth needing a bit of electric to control her dogs other wise she cannot do what she wants to with them,
Use your mouth woman you are doing it enough on this forum to many people yet they beat you time and time again you must be one frustrated old Lady
From here on you stew in yourself and reply to yourself you are not worthy of words any more, a disgrace to the name of the German Shepherd Dog, You alone of all Forum members have proved it you replied to my one line post because it is the truth at least in your case
You have been found out to be weighed , measured and found to be wanting
Steve1
by sueincc on 02 May 2010 - 15:05
Oh thank god I am no longer worthy of your words! Thank you, from the bottom of my heart! Believe me when I tell you it is with joy in my heart that I thank you for giving me permission to no longer have to slog through your rambling and often times muddled posts. Just please promise you will stick to your word because I really don't have time for such an emotional donkey as you become when you are wrong and you know it. Oh Happy Day!
By the way, your last post, just more gibberish. Since there are multiple manufactures of collars and they have improved over the years your saying you felt a "60" means nothing, it's more nonsense. Most of use who use ecollars use an average working setting that produces a tapping not a shock, we know this because we have first tried it ourselves since we don't want to hurt our dogs. The sensation is not painful.
by Homeland K9 on 02 May 2010 - 15:05
Hi all...My name is Mike Loesche. I appreciate all the feedback and discussion about remote collar use and my video (Mike Loesche versus Victoria Stilwell).
With some of you out there who have commented on the "secrecy" of remote collar training, I agree it shouldn't be a secret. I am getting ready to change that. My reasons are there are alot of people who have hesitation in using them because they don't know how to use it properly and proper training on the use of the these collars is not always easily available. Usually the first thought is to use the collar for punishment only to stop an unwanted behavior (i.e. chasing a rabbit, jumping a fence, etc.). I agree this can be very confusing to the dog and in most cases will shut a dog down.
I use a remote collar for obedience training, not just problem solving. It is used as a prompting tool and to motivate the dog. I use it in conjunction with other positive motivation such as food, toys, and praise. I also use other tools with the collar including training collars (choke), and pinch collars. I have found that a dog will be more eager and learn faster with minimal confrontation. The key word is minimal. I believe you cannot eliminate confrontation or correction when you are dog training as sometimes this is necessary. Some of you have seen a dog shut down with heavy leash corrections and too much confrontation.
The remote collar is used as an attention getting tool, and I use levels so low that when the owner holds the collar in their hand they cannot feel the electric stimulation. I have every owner put the collar in their hand first to see what level they respond to in order to put things in perspective for them. For example, most humans respond to a level 15 and up on the collars that I use. The levels on these collars go up to 127. When I train a dog, 95% of them are going home off leash responding to the collar at levels in the single digits. The other 5% are under a level 15. In other words, this is not a violent "electric shock" (like the levels of an invisible fence where a dog gets punished for going across the boundaries) as some people would have you believe, it is a way to tap the dog on the shoulder to get their attention.
The non confrontational side of using a remote collar is that the dog believes he or she has control of turning the collar off. They can't see you push the button so there is no visible respone from you (such as pulling on a leash, etc.). For example, when I say "sit" the dog feels the collar come on, when the dog's butt hits the ground, the collar turns off. There is no yelping, wincing, whining or signs of pain or fear. The dogs are not being punished and it would be no different than if I bent down and tapped the dog every time I gave a command. This is just easier on my back :)
My goal has been to reduce the secrecy and get people to understand and use remote collars in a positive way. I can't be everywhere, but in my newsletter I have started putting remote collar training tips out every month that include video so you can see how it is done....not just read about it. This is proving to be very positive and allows me to reach people outside of southern Ohio.
Thanks again for all the feedback!
by beast on 02 May 2010 - 15:05
Question :
Can someone further explain how/when a correction would be issued while using an E collar? Please give an example of a "training situation" and a "real life" situation, if possible.
What would be the duration of a small correction/or mild shock? (on average)
Could someone give an example of when NOT to use an E collar?
What's your opinion of the "V" collar vs. the E collar?
I won't be commenting too much in this thread, as I have no experience with this tool and no desire to use one in the future. I'm asking these questions for the sake of conversation and I'm genuinely interested in the answers.
by Q Man on 02 May 2010 - 16:05
by Q Man on 02 May 2010 - 16:05
Me thinks that Victoria is a JOKE to anyone that knows how to train a dog...And a poor example of a Brit...
Wolfinbok...Right On...Best Picture and Caption ever...Thanks...
Always wanted to spout off about The Brit Bitch...
by deathrow dogpack on 02 May 2010 - 16:05
by steve1 on 02 May 2010 - 18:05
For interest who is this Victoria you mention putting an e collar on
Steve1
by sueincc on 02 May 2010 - 20:05
Most will tell you the ecollar is not the appropriate tool to fix an aggressive dog who wants to fight because many times the collar will only escalate the dogs aggression towards the other dog. I do know there are some who disagree and say they have successfully used an ecollar to cure a fighter.
Regarding real life situations. The ecollar is a good tool for correcting a dog who understands what "come here" means but blows off his owner and doesn't return, especially because when the dog is loose the handler cannot correct the dog remotely without a collar.
Regarding training, I don't train with the ecollar, we use it to fine tune exercises the dog already understands.
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