ED and OFA - Page 11

Y.R
You are correct, Not every Puppy will be Top Hip and Elbow graded from every litter bred from a Dog, but the Male has to have a Female and vica versa, Should any Breeder worth his salt Mate two dogs together and get a combination of poor quaitly Joints then you do not try that mating again if the breeder has any brains at all
However the Crux of this is at least a Breeder knows the quailty of the dogs Joints if they have them offically tested. Then they have done all they can providing they are careful which Dog to mate too
But when People blatently say it is not needed for the joints to be done that takes the biscuit, and Everything people have worked for for decades has gone out of the window so to speak
Steve1

Steve, I think much of this has come from a little difference in terminology and understanding from 2 different countries.

Here in the U.S. when we speak of "pet" (at least among dog people), we are speaking of a non breeding animal. I see no reason for a pet owner to be compelled to the cost of certification unless they choose to do so. If, as you say, someone chooses to breed their "pet" then it becomes a breeding animal and of course should be subjected to certification by anyone who considers themselves responsible. Really, only one or two people have suggested otherwise. The problem here in the U.S. is that there is no requirement to certify in order to register so anyone may do as they please, which I feel is a failure of our kennel club. They do not put the health of the dogs first.

You and Jenni both have very nice dogs, share similar views and goals for the breed and probably a lot in common.

I think you two should kiss and make up.

JMO,
Rik

Rik
I have said several times now that in Jenni's case i was wrong and i do not bear the Lady any ill feelings at all never did, It is words they may make a person smart  for a bit but thats it,
 In fact i do not bear Nona any ill will at all, Nor anyone else on the Forum, their is no need to or is there a reason for doing so, The only thing to me is that the Joints of a G.S Dog  is a must to be checked out officially.
Over here they cannot wait to get them tested, and as Bstout said they are passionate about the sport over here , Not just the sport but the welfare of the Breed as a whole
All my life i have tried as i said before to compete with the best in various sports i always looked and went out of my way for the hardest and the best to compete with.
That is my only reason for moving to Belgium in my other Sport International all Europe i now compete against, and we are noticed after 4 years competing by the Continentals they see us as serious rivals,
So you can understand how i feel when people talk so nonchalantly about the Joints of this breed, It just does not register with me the way they think. No one has to Compete in the Sporting side some cannot, But the health of these Dogs is paramount to the future of the breed, that is what i cannot take in.
However let it slide away nothing will change with some people i guess people with the same idea's as Nona feel the excat opposite to me
Steve1

OGBS
When you reply to another poster you do not need to use Black Capitol lettering to get your meaning across, I am not blind as yet.
Now your posts are like a Girl Posting very Feminine, I do not know perhaps you are a Female if so i am correct
Going back to one of your posts on Javir, I have his daughter here and in her 5 generation Pedigree there is only one ScH1 Dog, Two Sch2 Dogs and every other Dog in the Pedigree for 5 generations all are Sch3 Dogs, That is a lot of ScH3 Dogs to have in 5 generations, I have not bothered to count them but a huge amount of work gone into the product of my Pup, This also applies to Izzy, By the way there was two of Javir's progeny competing in the German BSP recently, i have not heard how they got on.
As for being a weak Guy Mentally or Phiscally you would be way off the Beam, Quite the opposite i am sorry to say, Age does not weaken Will. in fact i do not think of age i can stay it out with the Younger Guys no problem i walk some ave 6 miles a day I work for around 10 to 12 hours a day in the Summer, 8 hours a day in the Winter
Am i Big Headed YES, i am. and a good right to be so, I have done a lot in my life had some close shaves in respect of not being here to post on this forum, Worked hard and Played hard, So a weak person i am not If i set my mind to do something it is done nothing can stop it only a wooden Box, So now you have me as a person.
How about you, Are you a weak person.
Steve1

"Equalizer
You Mate' are a cop out merchant, All Wind but no substance Not worthy of further comment a Man you are not..."

And yet, I don't feel it necessary to come on this forum puffing up my chest trying to convince everyone what a big, tough guy I am as do you.  Why do you suppose that is?

So tell us, Steve, as you attempt to present yourself as an expert in this breed, how long have you actually owned and trained German Shepherd Dogs?  I am not interested in hearing more of your boasting about how many pigeons you've trained or how you've been training with other breeds (almost since you were in the womb, if you are to be believed), I am asking specifically about this breed.  Have you ever owned a GSD before Izzy?

Equalizer
You are a idiot and a troublemaker, You can say what you like, many of your sort do that saying what you like to ridicule a person and acting like a tough guy from behind a computer
Would you be Man enough to say them to my face somehow i do not think you are, If you are then you are welcome to do it. anytime it suits you,
 As i said before on another thread words may make a person smart for a minute or two but then they are gone.
 I will tell you nothing about what i have done with Dogs or not' just to satisfy your interest, A few Guys i respect  on here know my life of 60 years with dogs, but you will have to find out from elsewhere.
 Suffice to say Izzy is far from being my first German Shepherd by a long long way
Now i am off to the Training club, I hope i can get the usual Guy to train Izzy for me
Steve1

 Okay guys lets just all agree to disagree on this one. No reason to drag this out for ever with antagonizing posts to each other.

I do know Steve trains with the finest club, helper and training director Belgium has to offer so he is coming from knowledge and talent. We don,t always agree but we should all be civil to each other.

"You are a idiot and a troublemaker..."

I beg to differ.  I simply made a comment that it was hard for me to believe that your writings were so perfect that no editor had ever needed to edit anything and you launched into your typical tirade of name calling and juvenile insults.  Who does that make the troublemaker?

"You can say what you like, many of your sort do that saying what you like to ridicule a person and acting like a tough guy from behind a computer
Would you be Man enough to say them to my face somehow i do not think you are, If you are then you are welcome to do it. anytime it suits you,"

Again with the bravado?  It really has become boorish and tiresome and there is no "street cred" to be had by engaging in fisticuffs with the infirm.

"As i said before on another thread words may make a person smart for a minute or two but then they are gone."

Be sure not to tell any of the great authors or philosophers that as they would be terribly disappointed.

"I will tell you nothing about what i have done with Dogs or not' just to satisfy your interest, A few Guys i respect on here know my life of 60 years with dogs, but you will have to find out from elsewhere.
Suffice to say Izzy is far from being my first German Shepherd by a long long way"

Finally we get to the gist of it and your response is exactly as I expected.  Because I have difficulty understanding why anyone so accomplished would be reluctant to share the depth of his expertise, I remain skeptical. 

To me the OFA is not the end-all and be-all.  That said, my dog's films are there now, simply because it's only $40 to submit both.  But I don't think that you HAVE to have an OFA rating to have a good understanding about your dog's hips and elbows.  I take my dogs to a radiologist has worked for OFA and whose research helped start PennHIP.  Really, there is no one more qualified to take or interpret films than he is.  The OFA certification is just the icing on the cake, and it's nice to offer more data for their database and have another dog with the breeder's kennel name on the public database, but as far as what the OFA says about my dog I don't really care b/c I already have a very detailed analysis from the radiologist.

Steve1,
Sorry, I am not a woman. We share the same first name.
I only wrote that post trying to appeal to your softer side. You were out of control! (that is a sign of weakness)
As I said, you have a lot to offer.
It didn't seem to be worth it to take this to a higher level.
You were fighting with a woman and making reference to some very vulgar words. Sorry Mr. Patrick, but, that is not gentlemanly and is weak. You may say what you will, you are a man of many (mispelled) words, but, behaving the way you do here, way too often, is weak and ungentlemanly! Actions speak much louder than words.
Have a great day!