ED and OFA - Page 3

My Male Axel at 2.5 years old OFA,d good hips and grade 1 djd in the elbows. None of the other dogs in the litter had any elbow joint issues even my vet was not sure why the OFA gave him a grade of 1 djd so I was going to have them redone again latter that year and never did . We bred him at 5 years old to one of my females only after rexraying him and sending them to a ortho vet who said there was no sign of any elbow deformity or concern.
At 7 years old he was injured our regional event and when I got him home we xrayd his right foot I had the vet re shoot his elbow films and resnet to ortho who again wrote that the elbows were clear and in good shape for a 7 year old Schutzhund dog.

Always get a second opinion but at least start with OFA. 

 Rik, I know they're Am. dogs. That was what I meant by saying in contrast, working line dogs have only occasional problems as opposed to a steady stream. I know they're all linebred, but I just wondered what was the difference between this breeding and the last one for the dam-just the sire or the combo? 

Steve1 said that even pet owners are irresponsible if they don't xray, which I think is preposterous. Quite a stretch, IMO. If someone is breeding dogs for public consumption, then everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to tell a pet owner they're cheap and irresponsible for not xraying their adult dog who seems just fine is really reaching, IMO. 

Louise, interesting post. Thanks for the info. I had one such case- trauma in a young pup who will now not pass OFA for elbows. <sigh> Oh well. 

jenni
For what possible reason does a person not get the Dogs Hips and Elbows okayed
You mention that you would not have children done this and done that just because they did not need it
Well' why have them vaccinated against Chicken Pox, Measles or Diphtheria or any other disease they do not show any signs so why do it, Your ideas do not carry Water, 60 years of keeping Dogs and never an over weight Dog.
Me Sports for 30 plus years of my life never overweight I know that fact and the harm overweight can do to both animals and humans, I have in my time rum a Mile in 4m.23 seconds and a Marathon in 3hrs.4 minutes
It is not that any thing has to show symptoms first, And Why not have them done just to see the Dog is okay I have said why the Cost
If someone said to some i will come and X-Ray your Dogs joints for free would they say do not bother i do not believe in having them done, I think not.
 As i said for me there is NO excuse at all and Certainly if anyone is a Breeder and sells Pups they have a duty to the people paying good money for the Pup to have at least the Parents Certified Joint okay, to say any other is irresponsible to say the least, Still it seems you are another person against this practice, It is really not helping the  to eliminate this Malady that goes with the breed
Steve1

 Most pet owners will not x ray why should they.  Breeders should always x ray.  

Lyn

We x-ray our pets when the limping starts.  Breeders should want to take advantage of all the best information that is available. It just makes sense.

Just because some own these dogs as Pets does not mean that they do not breed from them, So that i guess still makes no difference, ALL breeders of the Breed should have the Dogs they are breeding with Joint tested offically, If not they are what i call Back Yard Breeders
Steve1

 I would agree with you there Steve.  But there are people who are not into breeding (like me).  I you are going to be a responsible breeder then all checks should be done.

Lyn

 I have to disagree with the OFA and SV comparison on elbows. I had a dog rated grade one the least severe ED from OFA and go severe from the  SV. The Sv uses a seperate elbow specialist and a hip specialist to rate elbows and hips. That is when I decided to use the SV. That is a huge difference. Grade one is not A2 or A3 it is much worse

 Steve- some of us don't like to expose our pets to needless radiation just so we can say, without a doubt, that our pets, who we will never breed, and who seem totally 100% healthy, are totally free of any abnormality. Why on Earth would you take a healthy child in for a complete body scan??? Same thing!

I have a really hard time reading your posts most of the time and picking through what doesn't even apply here and all the extra, irrelevant stuff you throw into just about every post, so excuse me if I missed something. 

If someone offered to xray my perfectly healthy pets for free, I would politely decline. They don't need it; it will not change the way I treat them. 

There is another aspect  to all of this, and i have noticed on various threads over time when buying from Europe crops up indeed even from the USA, So those who do not believe Joints are Paramount to be done officially then let me say this to you people and this includes anyone who feels the same as some people who have voiced the fact on this forum that they do not think it necessary  regarding Dogs having a Certified joints test Certainly before being bred from
So please answer this, You are in the Market for a new Pup lets say from Belgium as i live there
I am one person that you are interested in Buying a Puppy from one of my Females plus she has been mated to a well bred Dog
So when i send you the Pup you will have bought it as seen meaning you will not be bothered if neither of the Parents have been Joint Tested officially and have breedable joints, You will not be expecting any Guarantees on the Pup other than it reaches you in good healthy condition having been looked at by a Vet near you within two days of its arrival,
Steve1