ED and OFA - Page 4

 Steve, you are really reaching, here. You are grossly exaggerating what has been said, or you are not understanding the posts, if I pick through your run-on paragraphs w/no punctuation (which really does make them hard to read and decipher) and get your meaning correctly. 

Where did anyone say that you should sell puppies from parents whose hips and elbows have not been checked? 

Yeah Steve you are not reading the posts correctly.  We are in agreement that b redding sogs should be hip/elbow certified.

 Thank you, Lyn. I was beginning to fear I was losing my mind. In reality, half of it is still intact. Good to know. LOL

Jen

You're sharp as a tack LOL!!

 Thx, Lyn.

Bob, another good point; I missed it somehow. I, too, had a dog OFA grade 1, yet the THREE ortho vets I showed the films to could see NOTHING wrong w/the elbows. I wonder if that was one of those times they ended up on the desk of a student, LOL. 

None of us said that OFA o SV hip /elbow should not be done on our breeding stocks...We were discussing a dog named   Daphene or whatever that Jenni was excited over getting excellent....

She was ask if she did the elbows,  and NONAcona made a remark., and quite frankly , I thought it was made rudely to Jenn as all of know she is a smart careful breeder.  There was no need to question Jenns reasons / and  I am not being mean to NONA   but she didn't know it was kinda  childish question, if she was not going to buy a pup from Jenn  then all this was about was  HURRAH    the results were Excellent..
I made light of it because I know Jenn..Jenn knew what I meant...

I came back with a reply    of    SHe doesn't walk on her elbows....I was making a big laugh as  Jenni knows. ...and Nonacona should have known also....We are all walking on dynamite here and eggshells...I was encompassing the subject as this is a 3 year old female , she purchased and wanted to know about hips for health reasons....no one said breeding nor anything else...


We all , that I am aware of  do hips/elbows  for breeding and I would never sell to a breeder or buy from any breeder a dog without a prelim   if under 2.     GOSH  what a off topic this became about JENN and walking on elbows....

YR

I had my pet x-rayed for hips and elbows at 7 months and again at 24 months including the spine, but the outcome of his x-rays DOES change how I treat him because we do tons of training (Schutzhund, agility, dock diving....).  Lo and behold, we did find something noteworthy on his films.  Luckily his elbows are normal and his hips look good (at the OFA right now but the radiologist who did them is equally qualified to give his opinion, we just sent them to OFA since it's only $40 and good for the breeder and the organization to have as many dogs as possible in the database).

 Prudence vom Linmarc is the dog (bred by Steve Lino) and Nona was saying that the breeder deserves the credit, not me (and I wasn't asking for credit- I was just excited about my dog getting an "excellent"). Jacko was the one who made the elbow crack, and this person hasn't posted since. Ironic, eh?

YR, I did know what you meant, and I don't know why some people have taken that to mean we are all in agreement that hips and elbows shouldn't always be tested. RIDICULOUS!!!! None of us said that! 

 

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It always great to own a dog that gets OFA Excellent hips. However the glory should be all for the breeders....So YR, to PRODUCE 3 of them, its KUDOS, HIGH 5, and GREAT job to you..... and to Prudence's breeder....

There is no where in above post that I am being rude to Jenni78. I even said it was great to own an OFA Excellent dog.  I was merely complimenting breeders who produce OFA excellent dogs. Jenni if you took it as being rude, I am sorry, it wasn't intended that way...YR, I apologize to you also that you took it that way also....

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by steve1 on 28 September 2010 - 12:09

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Well' one thing is sure that to ask that question it seems that you do not bother to get your Dogs Joints officially checked but then you have said before it is not needed, Speaks volumes as a breeder of this breed of Dog

Steve1, as usual you are so off the wall.  The reason I asked the question, is because since breeders proudly show hip evaluations and scores, if the Elbows are done, I was wondering why they didn't show those results also.  That is all I was asking...But once again, just as you have done in the past, you are trying to bring out the fact  I said I don't get my dogs OFA'd. However you forget to finish my statement when I said I DID and DO get my dogs xrayed.....Guess it would be best since I don't get OFA's, that I just don't xray at all.....Steve, please just leave me alone...



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by Dog1 on 28 September 2010 - 11:09

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Elbow certification is a requirement for a breed survey just like hips. It's been a part of the requirements for a few years. Where have you been?

Dog1,
To answer your question politely, I just recently starting doing research on the SV regulations and requirements. I had been showing American bred GSDs.  I had no interest during that time with SV requirements. AKC does not require anything other than the dog be AKC registered  to be bred and registered with them...Now you know where I have been....

Jenni
I use words that an old Englishman uses so that is tough if you do not understand the meanings of them.
Very strange that i have written a Book and i write Monthly for a Big Sports Paper in the UK some 80 articles now, The Editor has never put a red line through any of them or corrected them in any way, Nor have i have any complaints from around 40 to 50,000 readers each month who read them 
I do not understand some of the way you Guys write and your phases but i would not dream of chastising you over that, But i and every person on here knows you are trying to throw the subject away from what we are talking about and your countrymen and everyone else on this site  knows the real reason for why you do it.
MY' post above was a hypothetical one and you know that but it seems you did not have the brains to see it or did not want too
 You know full well what my posts mean and as i said above but you twist it round to suit your self.  and that is to take the talk away from why you do not  have the Hips and Elbow X-rayed of your dogs and Nona is just the same,
 You say you do not like to use Radiation on your dogs well i guess if you or any of your family ever need a X-Ray then you would refuse to have it done because you are afraid of the radiation effects on yourself that is no different to the to Dogs.What a load of rubbish to come out with
Plus what about the ancestors of your Dogs , were the Hips and Elbows not checked on those dogs, and did it harm them of course it did not, My guess is that you make are all excuses for not having it done,
As for Nona's outlined Post I did not bother to read it, I guess it contains the same old excuses of why you do not think the need to have your Dogs Health Certified, like a record that is wearing a bit thin now
Plus both you ladies never answer the questions put to you, So these are for Nona and Jenni only.
Girls answer me this and i will leave a gap so you do not get confused over the way i am writing it

DO' you think you are bettering the breed of the German Shepherd Dog by breeding Puppies from Parents which have not been Certified Joint Tested Hips and Elbows by the governing bodies of you Country
All you need to do is to say YES, or NO, if the answer is YES, then WHY
There is no need to go off on a tangent to try and change it just answer the question
Steve1