how long will it take to train for bh and ipo1 titles - Page 2

lets get serious here for a second or two
what happens to nine out of ten dogs that are send away to be titled , do you think they will be seen much on the trainingfield , or will they be found in the welpingbox , pushing out puppies from titled parents  , so they can sell easyer and more expensive

a competitiondog is not buildup in two months , not in europe ,and not in the US

I think most people that send their dogs away with a bag of money , dont really care how its done , as long as its done

Duke
Why is it you expect others to answer your questions but YOU never answer any put to you. It is becoming a pattern with you.
Of course you are not the only one on here to do it i can name more who jib at answering questions put to them, It seems the norm on this forum so i to will start playing the same game, although it really is against my integrity not to answer if i am asked but it gets tiresome when i get no reply and believe me i am serious when i post,
Steve1

well steve I didnot recognize a question , but if you ask a question , I will answer it, no problem

Duke 
i asked you questions on another thread without answers, I asked you in my post above to let the Guys know how the Germans get titles on the Dogs so quickly to make it plain the system they use you have seen it,
I also asked you where the Venues of the Clubs were that do these titles so quickly so i can go and see for myself how they do it
Steve1

steve , do you really expect me to give you names of judges etc on a public forum

let me give you one of my experiences , I attended a trail with one of my dogs , two german people with showlinedogs also attended , they went for schh 3
surprisingly to me , after the tracks were laid , the judge decided to start with the schh 3 dogs , both above mentioned dogs did not make it to the first corner and stopped , both dogs didnot show up for  obedience and bitework , but on the trailresults they were both listed as passed for schh 3

now I know this is only a percentage and not the mainstream especially in workinglines ,altough I have seen this done with workinglines from famous kennel also , but these things do happen and take away the credibility of the ones who train hard and honestly title their dogs

You have stated on a public forum that the Judges cheated and gave false results so why not give the names and venues, And you were there and saw this , Did you complain to the Judges and did you report them,
Because had i been there all hell would have broke loose they would not have got away with Cheating, They should have been reported yet it seems you did nothing. Well, it takes all sorts to make a world.
Fortunately i go to about 15 to 20 trials a year and have never seen blatant cheating, Thank goodness for that. The only time I went to  Germany to one of there clubs was to take Izzy on her AD, That was run okay
Steve1

who should I report to steve , to the club that invite these judges , that choose these type of judge to get their dogd passed , or to the SV , who are all breeder/judges themselves , do you really think that would make any difference

money makes the world go round steve , nothing else

Duke
You say you even attended the trial with one of your dogs, i guess that means you were a competitor, Yet  you let blatant cheating go on in front of your eyes that is bad, You could have complained to firstly the organizers of the Trial and ask them what they were playing at, if no joy there the SV but to have done nothing is if to say that is okay what does it matter if you are given a title and have cheated,
Well, all i will say is this, I am glad i do not live in the vicinity of your own clubs If you let one thing go by then you will let the same go by wherever you are, There is no more to be said on this to me it is an appalling thing to let go by then voice the fact on a forum
Steve1

steve , if it makes you feel better , I didnot know in advance , was surprized that day , and in fact  , mine was the only dog that didnot pass that day , as the german judge asked me were my dog was from , and I told him czech republik , I couldnot do any good after that

I do not choose to go to these people , it just happened , I trail my dogs on various clubs under various judges , on my previous dogs you will not find two trails on the same field and/or judge in their books , so you run into somethings sometimes

even on a simple thing as AD , people are cheating , and I refuse to be part of that also , if the test says 20 kilometer and the club only does 7 on the trailday , I dont participate

finally , dont you think the SV is fully aware of these things happening , but dont care at all

I voiced the fact on a forum because somebody asked me to

Yes, i agree that one or two will try it on i know an AD where we had our Goran in. The first round everyone except two were keeping up it was a good pace about 12 kms an hour pace,
We stopped after coming in and to give the Dogs a drink and the Judge looked at each dog, The two lagging came in some 2 minutes later, The 2nd Round all going well except the two in the first round they were further behind, around 4 to 5 minutes
After another breather away for the final go, We came in the same as the first two rounds and the pace was the same the dogs were going okay.
All in except the two, then low and behold they came in a minute later after us having made up they said 3 to 4 mimutes on us others.
Of course the Judge was not so certain by no proof, However me being me said to the two who were late,
Did you take a short cut on the last leg at so and so place. of course they were not happy with me saying that and said there dogs got a second wind,
I said NO look at them they have a job to stand up they are not fit dogs But they do have two handlers who are Cheaters so say no more you got your grade although the judge knows and everyone else here knows how you took a shortcut But if that makes you happy there is no proof, but remember it will always be in your mind you Falied the AD, no matter what stamps you have in your book. But once you are on the tracking field or work field in the future there will be no where for you to hide and with that i turned by back on them and walked away
Steve1