House raised vs kennelled raised for top performance in "C" - Page 1

I have heard that there is a difference in performance of a dogs raised in the house to those kennelled.  This is in relation to top performance of a dog.  Is it true?  Does too many house rules and over socialisation affect a young dog and their potential to perform particularly in the protection phase?

A few have said that they will allow their dogs into the house around the age of 2/ 3 years after much high competition but not before then.

What influences might there be to affect performance for either ie home raised vs kennelled raised.

Do you know of any top handlers (HOT) who have raise their dogs at home and still succeed in dogsport.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Some people don't know how to raise a performance dog period and these dogs are better off not being owned. If they are owned, they are probably better outside, rather than being yelled at for grabbing their children's toys, being underfoot, told not to be mouthy, stop doing this, stop doing that...or are relegated to their crate for hours a day.

Then the ones that do know how to raise a performance dog, might have a super high drive dog that would simple drive them crazy in the house.

There certainly are HOT that have raised their dogs in the house successfully and the there are idiots who have ruined good dogs by simply just owning them and killing their drives.

Then you have dogs/handlers that are graduations of the two.

If done correctly, a dog will be the same dog living inside or outside the house.



 

I think it would bother obedience more than anything else. IMO, if your dog is hindered by you telling him not to chew up your kids toys, he wasn't going to be a great dog anyhow. Just like teaching the dog not to jump on you is going to stop the dog from jumping on the helper or even you for a toy? To me that is a dog that just doesn't have it. Many, many K9 live in the home and I don't think they have a problem differentiating between you kids toy and a suspect. Genetics and training play more of a role when it comes to protection.

Chaz writes: "Genetics and training play more of a role when it comes to protection."

If this it the consensus I am relieve to know.  I started off wanting to do schudhund with my first dog who is now 4 years old but because of the lack of training clubs and good helpers, I now concede to just having her as a good companion dog which she is, apart from her dorminance with other dogs.

However I still take interest in the sch. training routine and I am just curious to know how others raise their dogs and compete in high level.

Don't get me wrong. My current dog is 100% in the house and he may be one of my "favorite" dogs in "C", but obedience is my concern when it comes to living in the house. I just think it hinders obedience more than anything. I'm just picturing a s#!tter on the field going into avoidance because he was told not to chew up Suzie's carebear.

I'm with Chaz on this one....obedience is where it will show....the other family members aren't going to enforce commands if need be and that is when the dog gets mixed signals. I prefer my dogs to be kenneled during the day when I'm at work.

"I'm just picturing a s#!tter on the field going into avoidance because he was told not to chew up Suzie's carebear."

Chaz if that were  true, my dog wouldn't love sleeping on the couch or chewing my nice pillows, after the first time he got in trouble. LOL He does it whenever he can get away with it, like a kid you have to keep reminding them, over and over and over again, that you have eyes in the back of your head. (Obviously, I can't comment on how this selective lack of obedience affects protection, just that I think he is a brave dog.) 

Judron, it's the family members and yourself. Yeah, they know when they are working, but muscle memory, etc plays a part. In the home, most people don't worry about the little things that will take a 1/2 point here and there on the field. Do you think your spouse cares about how fast and correct the down is when they ask for it? To many family members, it is just a dog.

My dogs are "house" dogs but no one else is responsible for their care or gives them commands.  It's only my husband and I and he's hands-off as far as my dogs go.  He doesn't do anything with them unless I ask and give explicit instructions.  So it's not like I have someone going around un-doing all my obedience.  Also, while I don't keep my dogs in kennel runs, my GSDs *are* crated when I am not home.  And even when I am home, I use the crate on occasion and also keep them gated in various areas.  Very rarely to my GSDs have full free reign of my house and when they do, it's usually for about 1/2 hour between when I let them out for the last time and when I go to bed, at which time they just crash on the floor.  I take my dogs all over the place so it's important to me that they are comfortable and trained to be free in a house, crated in a house, crated in a van/dog trailer, outside without me for a while, and all sorts of situations.  There's plenty in between a dog that lives in a separate kennel and a dog that has free reign of the whole house.

Thanks for all your comments. 

I must say I have changed a lot since owning a GSD.  Much more regimented in my ways despite not competing in any dogsport.  I guess that is house training for me.