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Ninja181

by Ninja181 on 09 August 2012 - 23:08

Hats off to Workingdogz, who made one phone call and found out more  correct info than the jouralist or the person who started this thread combined, this is a non-story thread.

Just grab some dung off the internet and post it. LOL

I personally think this thread should have been locked or deleted before page 1 was complete.

alboe2009

by alboe2009 on 10 August 2012 - 01:08

Laughing/crying tears on this one.......without getting all into it........some need to realize that just because you don't like the method or outcome of an action that it does not mean it is wrong! Even if and when you can not or will not accept it............

Abby Normal

by Abby Normal on 10 August 2012 - 12:08

Alboe
Because you do agree with it doesn't make it right either
It seems there is a diversity of opinion.

I cannot judge how it works in the USA as I am in the UK, we are so small that we do not have such rural areas with no access to veterinary care. Our police officers also don't carry guns, so this situation simply couldn't arise.

Also if anyone were to find an animal injured at the side of the road and just walk into a veterinary hospital, they would take steps to care for it as far as making it comfortable etc. If it was in dire condition they would euthanise it rather than let it suffer, even if an owner couldn't be traced, they would just absorb the cost (1K that workingdogz? quoted seemed a bit steep) the actual cost to the vet (just the drug) is minimal. What they charge us, the client when they euthanise a dog is vastly inflated.   So it seems very alien to me to hear something like this.  

My arguments were simple:

The judgement of a police officer as to the condition of the dog, as he isn't qualified to do so
Method of euthanasia

I appreciate having now heard some of the difficulties of location etc that it might have been the only answer. Same thing I suppose would then apply if someone found a very badly injured dog by the side of the road that time of night in that location? Nothing could be done to help it?

by beetree on 10 August 2012 - 12:08

Abby, euthanizing an animal properly can be expensive when you consider that usually involves the cremation of the animal. I had a neighbor (British!) who actually paid over $400 to properly dispose of their bearded dragon! They had to cremate the thing... according to her, they wouldn't let them just take the dead lizard away in a shoebox!

And if you find an injured animal in the dead of the night, you can probably be sure to bear the expense of treating that animal yourself, if you are the one bringing it to the ER. A grateful owner if found, I would imagine would be happy to pay up. Otherwise, yes, I would venture to say, if one called the authorities, it would most likely play out, just like this non-story did.

It really depends on the resources available. Certainly there are more options in a urban setting. The mercy of relief from suffering, delivered on the spot. I certainly think there are others besides a vet who can determine suffering in an animal, it really isn't that hard (especially when the owner is standing right there).   I also have read stories of cops who have found and paid for the treatment and care of injured animals, left for dead on the roadside. Those stories are out there, too.


by workingdogz on 10 August 2012 - 13:08

Abby, believe it. A simple walk in the door of an
afterhours ER clinic is an easy $300+.

Clinics in this country will rarely if ever 'treat' a stray that is
brought in. If an owner brings the pet in, same thing, PAY
before you PLAY.

There are still some good vets left in our country
that honor the oath they took, but, most are pretty hard
core when it comes time to $$$$$$$$. The ER clinics 
will ask you as soon as you come in, 'how do you plan 
to pay'. They take a CC deposit or cash deposit/office fee
immediatley, thats before your pet is even seen. Most ER's
won't take checks either. They always happen to know the 
closest ATM locations too . So yes, had these owners 
taken their pet to an after hours ER, they likely would have 
faced a bill easily reaching 1K. If the clinic wants bloodwork
etc, that all adds up QUICK. Vet care in this country is far from
cheap. 

Our last dog we had to 'let go', well, it was $450 just for
cremation. Euthanization was $75.00, and our vet came to
our home. He didn't charge us the 'going rate' for an in home 
call, simply because we are long time clients, and we were 
charged a different rate than a 'new client' would be charged.



ggturner

by ggturner on 10 August 2012 - 14:08

Last summer we had to put our old terrier rescue down because she had a hemangiosarcoma in her pancreas and liver that was bleeding internally and causing seizures with no hope of recovering.  It cost us $300 at our vet (we buried her ourselves).

by workingdogz on 10 August 2012 - 14:08

ggturner,
Was that during 'normal business hours'?
That sounds to be about the normal going
rate. Animal Control here charges a $5.00
euthanization rate, but that's a drop off and
go procedure, your dog is 'done' at the end 
of the day with the 'rest'. And no, you cannot
be present. 

Prices will of course also vary according to
demographics and geographic location. 

Here's one for you, an employee of mine 
has 2 small terrier's, Westies or something 
like that. Dental cleaning on two dogs, including
bloodwork, anesthesia, a few extractions (4 total)
etc, $3300.00USD. 

Yes, I am dead serious. I saw the bill.
Sorry for the drift off topic, but I was hoping
Abby could get a better understanding on how
things can be on 'our' side of the pond at times.


ggturner

by ggturner on 10 August 2012 - 15:08

It was during normal business hours.  My husband stayed with our little terrier the whole time.  I sat in the waiting room with our daughter (it was her little dog).  Our vet was very compassionate.   I was glad to pay to have her peacefully put down.  They put her in a deep sleep first, then gave the lethal injection.

Gigante

by Gigante on 10 August 2012 - 16:08

My arguments were simple:

The judgement of a police officer as to the condition of the dog, as he isn't qualified to do so
Method of euthanasia


And solid....

 

 

I agree that officer most likely had no training with regards to animal suffering and diagnosis. Therefore may not be qualified to make the call in this case as it appears. But why should we not stand behind their decision having knowledge of all the options where speculating about.

 

Agreed this method should be reserved for only the most serious suffering cases imo & yours. Again if the animal pushed on for ten minutes with a gun shot wound it begs to reason, what was so immediate. Business hours and a working animal control officer appears to be just 8-12 hours away at the point.

 

I still lean to the officer's choice and chiefs decision. May not have been mine or yours or may have been? Metropolis and rural do things differently to say the least. A little less refined each way in most cases. I think thats what we are talking about here. Theres no evidence and no room here to put this officer in with those defined in the "other post" Thats why I was having so much fun with the auther and BE4U.
 

$115 and $65 total cost to put down two of mine. In two world class cities. I would bet it would have been free of charge from thier animal control rural. 

 

In all the fun of yesterday I did not finish. Befitting is where I was heading. 


Gigante

by Gigante on 10 August 2012 - 18:08

The plot thickins.. 

 


A police officer shoots a dog twice, saying he had no choice because the dog was emaciated and clearly dying.

A Greenfield police officer knocked on Billie Jo and Fred Whitley's door at about 1 a.m. on August 3 after a neighbor complained about the Whitley family's 18-year-old dog, Ginger, who was laying in dirt and not moving.

Greenfield police Chief Tim Hester said the officer stated the dog was emaciated and in ill health.

"They said they were going to leave the dog lay there. The officer did not want to put this dog down, but did so because it was the humane thing to do," said Hester.

The officer claims the owners had refused to take Ginger to the veterinarian, and that they gave him permission to "put the dog down."

The Whitleys deny that.

"We had told this officer together to just let Ginger live out her life," Billie Jo said.

Billie Jo said the officer patted Ginger on the head, stepped back and shot her.

Ginger did not die and the officer shot her again, Billie Jo said.

"We've got conflicting stories here. The officer documented everything that evening and I am comfortable with his report," Hester said.

The Whitleys filed a complaint with the police and are furious.  "I am beyond angry if I don't keep this rage, I start crying," Billie Jo said.




http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2012/aug/09/14/officer-had-no-choice-but-to-shoot-dog-chief-says-ar-1132079/



 






 


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