Where does the buck stop! - Page 3

In reality you have to change the nature of people.  and that just isn't going to happen.  You will continue to have people who want to make money the easiest way they can with out putting forth much effort.  You will also have people that no matter what bad thing happens to them it is the other persons fault, they will always fail to take responsibility for anything they do.  You will always have people who do things by impulse with no forethought. You will always have people who don't care that much about the animal but know how to manipulate people into thinking that they do, and when they get the dog, out to the back yard on a chain it goes.

All you can do is as a breeder try to use discerning questions, questions fashioned multiple ways to look for inconsistencies. Do a background check on the person.  And a buyer needs to put in lots of research to become educated on the breed and breeders.  Go to shows and watch their dogs to see what they can do.  Or watch videos that have been posted.  Talk to persons whom you respect who may not be affected by any emotions on what they think of the breeder and how it would fit you.  

So the Buck will never land on just one person it will always catch two when it falls.

But it would be nice wouldn't it, if you could always have the conviction that
you've sold a puppy, explained everything to the buyer, given 'em a puppy-pack
with everything written down in it that you have told them, about feeding and
worming and vaccinating and everything else ... and know that they are
going to go away and remember / read it over, do what it says, when it says
to; and call you with any questions;  rather than just shove the paperwork in
a draw and not look at it for six weeks (if ever), and just guess ...

That is true but how many people have ever read the owners manual on their car?  Kind of sad isn't it?

I know this is unrealistic but....
If every breeder would take in 1 shelter rescued dog for every litter they bred and sold, trained that rescue and adopted it out, either for a small recoup fee or free, that would go a long way towards getting these gsd's off of death row.
I can pull all the gsd's from the shelters around the houston /se texas area I want, but if I have no where for them to go it is useless. If I had the proper skills to train them it would be a little easier to get them rehomed. hmm I do have an unused kennel that needs to be repaired to put up and use....

Well I'm a boring old fart who does at least have a quick look through
when i buy a car, and I know where i keep the manual, and i go back to
look up specifics when I experience a problem.  Not a mechanic, rely
on others to fix things;  but if I think I need to top the wipers up, I do look
at the instructions.  Ditto flat pack furniture - however bad they are !

Seriously, would never dream of owning a dog and not being aware of
things like vaccinations due, if it was purebred not knowing the Kennel
name and some basics (even if I can't recite all 5 generations accurately
from memory alone).  Yet the number of conversations I have had with
other owners down the years and MOST of them seem to have no idea,
to have put their paperwork away in a drawer as soon as they got their
puppy home, sometimes even people at Shows or Trials - so it' s not
that they don't DO things with their dogs.  Just that they seem terminally
resistant to the breeders' instructions, and anything "admin" ...

Why is it always accepted that a 501c3 makes a group legit? That only pertains to the IRS, it does not mean the group is good at what they do. i agree there are alot of really flakey rescues out there. Ive been turned down myself for not following their rules. But I would hardly link rescues to an issue such as this. Just another bandaid deal with the problem.

I agree Shandra, but Ive also thought it be would be a good idea to have breeders volunteer at the shelter once a year. There is still that stigma that shelter dogs are somehow societies misfits and there is something wrong with them.

My field requires yearly education, ceu's if you will, if a breeder wants to retain their licensing then it could also apply here.

I'm not saying that buyers are not responsible for dumping their dogs. And good breeders will always take back their dogs, if for nothing else than bashing them here on the board. (lively discussions of late) It would be nice to have breeders police themselves then states mandating what breeders can and cant do. Who knows how far down the road that might just be.

Barb

How about we give HSUS what they want and out law ownership and breeding of dogs, period. That would solve all problems eventually, because dogs would become extinct. "one generation and out".
But, of course that would apply to all animals, so there'd be no substitute pets. Every body could have Chia Pets, instead.
JMO

Shandra, in defense of those GOOD breeders out there,
many do exactly what you suggest re pulling a dog, or they
donate the price of one puppy from a litter etc. But you know 
what? They kind of get tired of handing over time, food,
money etc to have that same rescue turn around and bash
breeders and scream 'rescue only, don't buy from money
hungry breeders!' 

WD, you're spot on. I have taken in GSDs over the years that were in a very bad situation (most were GSL, one BYB Amer) and even paid money to get them away from the owners. These were all females that had been bred who knows how many times. One was a nine month old female that was never out of her pen and would grovel at your feet, the only way she knew how to interact with people. I paid to have each of them spayed, trained them and found homes for them......all at my expense. But they got homes where they got to live in the house and be part of the families they went to. The nine month old I put a year into, so that she learned to act normal and could integrate into a family environment without acting like a retard. I am not wealthy, far from it, and spending money for a dog that is otherwise doomed is not anything I ever have hesitated to do. There is no profit, not even a recoup of money put out. How many breeders on here have done that, or for that matter, how many "rescues" are willing to save dogs (paying the owners to get them away from them) that have been stuck with shitty owners without making their expenses back? Probably not very many.

I was not in any way trying to put anyone down or make breeders look bad in the least. I know there are MANY good breeders out there that do as much for the breed as well as others that needs rescueing.

There are many "Rescues" that get funds and more funds go to the administration of the "Rescue" than go to the animals,dog food is donated free... I know how it works which is why I will never be a member of a Rescue or Shelter Organization again. To many fingers in the pot.

 I am under the umbrella of a 501c3. I do not have my own stand alone 501c3. I do not ask for or get donations or any type of discount. All money that is used or needed for the dogs I rescue comes out of my pocket, period. It is not listed as a charitable contribution nor is it a deduction on my taxes. Sarges rescue was the first time I have used the ability to pull a dog under the umbrella, that is the only way I could get him. Usually they are dogs that are strays or that owners are in circumstances that they just have absolutely no where to turn. I'm a sucker, what can I say.  The reason I am under the umbrella of the 501c3 is because at one time I had tried to get a co-pay spay/neuter program going. There were no donations so the program became defunct. Such is the way in a small community.

I personally get soo sick of seeing the boohoo freakin commercials on tv . I get tired of the constant gimme gimme help the poor pup, that is Soooo misleading.. Most people do not know that the money that they donate to the  HSUS or SPCA, National or State, does not get shared with any other SPCA or Humane organization. All funds they recieve remain in their accounts. ALL SPCA's are individual organizations that are not affiliated with any other, the only thing shared is the reputation of the SPCA that is seen in the general population.

I prefer to do what I can 1 dog at a time. It may mean I cannot help as many as the shelters do but that does not decrease the care they recieve and they are with me until they are placed. I can only take in rescues as finances allow and am limited as to size. It is usually the smaller breeds I take in because they are easier to get into homes.

Joan, I never said anything about stopping breeders or any of the such.