Where does the buck stop! - Page 4

Bob,
the buck stops here.
What each must say to himself.
You can't dictate responsibility to others, you can only take it upon yourself to be responsible.

This mindset would be funny if not so sad.


Moons.

Shandra, I know you didn't. I wasn't directing that to you, it was a response to bhaugh suggesting "state mandate" for breeders. It's
as Moons said, you can't dictate responsibility. Nor can you mandate ethics.
Joan

Unfortunately they have mandated responsibility here by required spay/neuter. If someone wants to keep their dog intact they are required to get a license and show their dog.

Im not a breeder hater in any way, shape or form. I have many ethical breeder friends and I have had a litter or two in my time. All Im saying is that everyone needs to be responsible for what they bring into this world. It's no longer a "not my problem" issue that can be ignored. And if a dog you bred showed up at the shelter, If the buyer refused to go and get it, would you really let your dog be euthed?

No,
I would rather do it myself.

Bhaugh You can not transfer responsibility! Explain how do you make someone volunteer?  Breeder licensing ? Policing?  State mandates? Required spay/neuter?  If someone wants to keep their dog intact they are required to get a license and show their dog.   You have a scary mindset. Where are you form again?  California maybe? You may not be breeder hater if you say so, but you should get yourself short course on Liberty,  personal responsibility  and privacy. 
And yes the ONLY people responsible for dumping dogs are the ones who do so. NO ONE ELSE!
And FYI I personally take my dogs back if they lose their home one way or another . But I do it because I love them and not because some  type of police system makes me. 
Prager Hans

Prager, ABSOLUTELY! maybe people who advocate government mandates on personal freedom have to study what happened in places like Germany during the Nazi regime.
If bhaugh wants to mandate shit on people, how bout mandating the deadbeats who dump their dogs stand day after day holding the victims while their pts. AND, they should have to pay at least a hundred dollars to dump their dog, like the shelters do in Fl, to help pay expenses.

I pay $50 "intact" fee per dog per rabies certificate because I allow my dogs to keep their testicles. I've taken in many dogs and rehomed them, even a few that had to be shipped to me because local rescues wouldn't take them (aggression issues). Just because you have bred a few litters doesn't mean you're to blame for overpopulation. Mediocre breeding "programs" are to blame, and I agree that while rescues often have good intentions, the fact is that they enable people to dump their dogs with a clean conscience. These type regulations will never work. It will be like breed bans or gun laws- the criminals will always do what they want- that's why they're called criminals. 

I also don't feel the need to be "mandated", to do the right thing, IF I choose to produce a litter of pups.
It truly is sickening the number of dogs that are simply disposed of, every day.
I too will always take my dogs back. If they have to stay with me forever, they can, and will.
I have always stepped up to help unwanted animals, traveled all around the country side picking up discarded "pets", sat hour after hour on the side of the road trying to coax "terrified" dogs to trust me, leaving food.
I have also taken dogs on death row out of the shelters when their time was up and rehomed, at my expense.
These deeds cannot be forced upon people to do them. It is a moral obligation to many of us.
And yeah, there are always going to be the scumbags that only care about their profits. We can only hope that Karma will bite them in the ass, and when we can, we educate, the the youth that ththere is a greater value in the lives of these animals, than just the $$$ they generate.

I posted somewhere on here a while back, that if shelters were done away with, there would be no place to recycle the the dogs adopted out by them. Rescues are the same. The OWNERS of the dogs being unloaded on these well meaning groups are the ones who should be responsible for a dog they chose to own.......they should find a new home for the unfortunate dog, run adds, screen potential homes, etc. In the case of an owner dying, family members need to step up if there is not a breeder of the dog (if it was a stray, or came from a "shelter" , no breeder ). The breeder of any dog should be contacted first when a situation arises where one of their dogs is about to lose it's happy home.
Shelters and rescues are part of the problem, many dogs are adopted out to people on a whim. Then when the novelty wears off, back the same place it came from, only to repeat the cycle until the poor dog runs out of time. At least if people have to get into their pocket to buy a pup or dog, they will not be as whimsical about parting with their money and give a bit more consideration to commitment to the animal.