Oshawa, Ontario, Canada GORGEOUS Male 2 Yrs Old Needs EXPERIENCED Owner! Knows Commands - Page 1

Ad ID 466454560

http://stcatharines.kijiji.ca/c-pets-to-give-or-donate-King-German-Sheppard-W0QQAdIdZ466454560

Date Listed	20-Mar-13
Address	Oshawa, ON, Canada View map
Offered By	Owner

Hi there! I have a 2 in a half year old male Sheppard that needs a new home. He has all his shots but is not fixed. I had found a new home for him along time ago and the person had returned him by leaving him tied to a pole in front of my home the other day. We are unsure why. I would love to keep him again but I can not as to why I got rid of him in the first place. He is the most amazing gentle dog ever and loves to play! Very puppy like. He is extremely smart, he knows many commands, understands sign language and can also bark " I love you ". But there is only one problem to this amazing dog.... he is VERY aggressive and protective of himself & his home. He needs the right owner to socialize him once again. Once he knows you he is amazing and so gentle. I can not just give him to anyone but someone who is willing to work with him. First by getting him to know you. I do not want to see him get put down because of this, he is to smart and I know once specialized again he will be great!

Even if anyone knows someone who specializes in these types of situations please let me know! Thank you!

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You'll pardon me if I don't jump at this, even though this dog is in my backyard. After what happened here with Gracie last week, I am NOT going to take a dog that has problems with either dog-on-dog aggression or aggression towards people. 

An attempt to introduce Gracie to my quiet, older male GSD met with a massive fail, despite all the precautions we took. My groomer (and my friend) was badly hurt. She suffered several bites to her left hand, and may never regain full dexterity.

I've avoided talking about this until now, as I just feel so heartbroken over it.

Please note the ad says he's a King sheppard [sic] which means he's probably over 100 lbs. If he goes for anyone, there's going to be a LOT of dog there to try to stop!

I didnt see what hapened last week :( I am so sorry. I havent been able to see, lately, so I went to get my glasses prescription redone and found out I am legally blind in one eye and going blind in the other. Went to opthomologist who said I have bad cataracts and I have to have new lenses put in each eye. Its hard for me to see computer screen,so until both surgeries are done, its a bad strain trying to focus on screen :( Gives me banger headaches and makes me exhausted from just tryig to focus :(

Sunsilver, not sure if this dog is a "King" German 'Sheppard', or if his name is King, and he's a German 'Sheppard'...he doesn't look like he's a huge dog, from the photos.

It does sound like the dog's former/current owner recognizes that the isn't suited to be handed over to just anyone, since they make reference to having the dog get to know a potential adopter before turning the dog over to someone else, however, so let's hope they are really committed to doing this and the dog ends up with someone suitable.

But I do understand your decision regarding taking in any more dogs with intra- or inter-species aggression issues, in light of what you've just gone through.  Having adopted a 100# dog recently who has turned out to be less-than-welcoming to other dogs if they're here for more than 24 hours, I know what a pain in the ass it is to have a dog with intraspecies aggression.  And how badly it hurts to be bitten trying to break up a fight, too. My sympathies to your friend.

Marjorie, can you adjust the display on your computer to make everything larger until you get at least the first cataract surgery completed and get some relief from the eye strain that way?

"An attempt to introduce Gracie to my quiet, older male GSD met with a massive fail, despite all the precautions we took. My groomer (and my friend) was badly hurt. She suffered several bites to her left hand, and may never regain full dexterity."

Damn I am so sorry Sunsilver. From what you said about the dog earlier I was afraid something like this would happen. All those folks sitting at their keyboards thinking the dog was so wonderful need to get real. This is why I hate dog aggression and I will not send clients to breeders who breed dog aggressive dogs. It's bad enough dogs get hurt but people get hurt too and I have the bite scars to prove it. One client's dog aggressive nutcase took off a nice little chunk of my scalp when I hauled him off the family's other dog to stop him from killing her.

Don't give up on your friend's hand yet. If the nerves were damaged remember it takes a year for full healing to happen. I've seen some amazing recoveries. Physical therapy will be real important though to prevent scar tissue from making everything real stiff.

This dog has a screw loose and needs to go to a home where there are no other dogs and no chance of meeting other dogs.

Are you OK? Is your male GSD OK?



 

Sad as it is, would this not be one of those cases where the dog
would be better off euthanized ?  It is difficult to be 100% sure
he would be placed where he need never meet another dog. And
reading between the lines, he can be people-aggressive over
'his property' too - and that may not be in a 'controlled' way.
A shame and a waste, but probably a reasonable course of action.



So sorry to hear about both Sunsilver's groomer's hand, and Marjorie's
eye trouble.  Best wishes to both for positive outcomes.

Hundmutter, the dog the thread opened with is aggressive toward people, but I see nothing in the ad that mentions any dog aggression--if someone were interested in the dog in the ad, they would obviously need to go meet the dog [in fact, the ad says that flat-out] and then decide if the dog's issues were something they were capable of working him through.  The dog that is referred to as dog-aggressive is a female rescue Sunsilver took--is this the dog you drove to West Virginia to pick up, Sunsilver?

Distance placements and rescues always worry me for this very reason.  I've had my rescued male for over a year now, and there are STILL layers of his onion that are peeling away on a regular basis even after that length of time.  Wasn't until late summer of the first year that he showed me any evidence of reactive behavior to thunderstorms, for example--a violent one in the middle of the night resulted in my being awakened to a 100# dog literally on top of my head as he tried to climb into the bookcase in the headboard of my bed.  It wasn't the first one we'd had, and my other dog pays storms no mind...but this guy suddenly decided to show me he was disturbed by them. 

There are also degrees and types of dog aggression, too--my bitch, when leashed, will show an aggressive display to strange dogs that approach her, but if they meet off-lead and the other dog is respectful and offers the appropriate meeting signals, she gets on well with them and there's no issues.  When playing with other dogs, however, she does NOT care for being chased by another dog that's directly on her tail, and will turn on back and perform a warning display if the other dog is too close [and by 'too close', I mean close enough to flank- or tail-nip her].  I'm not thrilled with her on-leash behavior, but it's who she is and what she experienced--she'll not allow herself to ever again be 'jumped' by an aggressive dog  while she's on lead, as her first owner told me had happened as still a puppy.  Yes, a stronger-nerved dog wouldn't have that issue, and that's among the reasons I had her spayed.  I don't have any problem with her warning another dog to back off if it's too close during play; that's what dogs are supposed to do with each other--communicate and respond appropriately.

Have you tried contacting the GSD Rescue?  Most rescues won't accept a dog with prior bite history (not sure if this dog has one) but it would be worth a try.  

Marjorie, you didn't hear about this because this is the first time I've talked about it. I just feel so horrible that I allowed it to happen, despite what I THOUGHT were adequate precautions!
 
We had them both on leash, and walked them around a bit, then let them butt-sniff. She just latched onto Ranger's hind leg like it was a tasty pork chop, and would not let go. We tried everything: kicking, hoisting her off the ground, etc.

Ranger eventually went insane with the pain and bit my groomer severely on the left hand and legs. At one point, he had hold of her thigh, and easily could have ripped a chunk out of it, but she yelled at him, "RANGER, stop biting!" and even through the haze of rage and pain, he heard her, and let go.

I eventually sat on Gracie, and tried to choke her out. Ranger managed to get enough room to turn around and bite at Gracie. (He also bit me a couple of times, but did not do much damage.) Eventually, he got her to let go by biting her muzzle. When she let go of his leg, she scored a really nasty bite on HIS muzzle, but at least we were finally able to haul them apart.

The groomer, Jenny, then went inside to wash her hand in the grooming tub. Ranger followed her, and wouldn't leave her side.

His wounds are healing okay. He finished the antibiotics this morning. It's my friend I'm worried about, She makes her living with her hands.

All this after the rescue said Gracie was caged with another male GSD and got along with him okay. I did try introducing her to my female GSD, too. I had her on a long line, and my female was loose in the yard. She immediately charged at Star, and tried to bite her on the shoulder. Fortunately, we were able to separate them before any blood was drawn.

Sorry Hexe I guess I didn't read it properly, you are correct:  there
is nothing specific about animal targetted aggression in the
description of this dog.  Put it down to personal history - dogs I
have known, especially entire dogs, that had 'people' issues almost
always also had issues with either dogs or small furries or deer/livestock.
The owners description just makes me think a lot is being left unsaid.