Double Amputee Killed by Dogs in Vicious Attack in South Carolina - Page 5

Pit Bulls don't kill people, people kill people??  If that is the argument and you want to see where this ends look at Germany's dangerous dog laws.  Dogs over 20 KG (44 pounds) get extra scrutiny except for the GSD which gets a pass probably due to political and historical support.  Germany has a much lower rate of dog bite deaths per capita than the USA because they have virtually no stray dogs in most areas.  The dogs doing the damage and singled out for being a threat to public safety in Germany are Pit Bulls and similar heavy bodied massive head breeds.  I was living in Germany for 4 years during the late 90's and at that time you could take your GSD and any other dog into stores, public buildings, doctor's offices, and restaurants without any problems.  Apparently now many more dogs must wear muzzles in public .. does anyone know more about how the public perception of dog bites has changed in the last 20 years in Germany.  Someone said that people will stand by and let a dog attack go on without getting involved .. as a dog owner with many dogs I know that if you are going to get into the middle of a large dog fight you had better be ready to use deadly force as there are no time outs in a dog fight.  Those 4 dogs attacking the man in S. Carolina might have stopped their attack if someone shouted at them or charged up to the fight but they also could have turned on a single rescuer just as easily.  About the only way to safely stop something like that once started with 4 Pit Bulls involved is to start shot gunning dogs and hope after the first was killed or wounded the rest would run.  If you have dogs you also know that the fight happens very quickly, the dogs are 4 times as strong as normal when fighting, and if you don't know what to do you will likely get hurt or bitten. 

"That being siad, I sat and spoke to well respected owner/trainer/helper and the subject came up. He said that most people that own   pits    dogs  have no busines keeping them. It takes a special person, one that is always on top of the situation. One that is alpha, but not harsh. One that takes the time to socialize and naturally can take the leadership position in the home. One that keeps the dog controlled and doen't ever let it loose."

There.  Fixed that for ya', SitasMom. 

It's true that most people are incredibly fortunate that their dogs don't harm someone, because they as owners aren't giving the dog a sufficient amount of their time each day... In recent weeks, I've seen two petitions started on Change.org to save the lives of two perfectly nice, normal and sane dogs which were each implicated in minor bite episodes to a toddler's face.  I say 'minor bite episode' because that's what they were--small laceration, single bite, a few stitches but no real harm done.  I blame not the dogs nor the children involved--I blame the adults who should have been directly supervising the toddlers and dog combination.  In both instances, no one is exactly sure what happened, aside from the fact that the child and the dog were in the same room, and suddenly the child was crying and had a bite wound on it's face.  We'll never know if the child did something to the dog to cause it pain, or if the child fell on the dog and startled it, or if the dog just suddenly up and bit the kid for no discernable reason...but the dogs are the ones that will pay with their lives.  So I would say that most people that have dogs have no business having them, regardless of the breed of dog.
 

Did ANYone read Hexe's post regarding posting stats til you're blue in the face, none of which mean a damn thing because they rely on someone's opinion and usually, wild-ass GUESS as to what kind of dog? The dogs running loose attacking people are not well-kept dogs. They are likely mutts from various thoughtless breeding, roaming in packs as deprived/depraved dogs are wont to do, and are mostly short-haired mixes of various color with flopped over ears, therefore, they're labeled Pit Bulls. Even worse, people think "Pit Bull" should refer to a number of breeds, all lumped into one, while there is only one American Pit Bull Terrier. 

The long and short of it is, those statistics, like most statistics, are worthless, and serve only to give the ignorant and/or uninformed fuel for their fire. I'd want to see pedigrees, verified by DNA, on these dogs and I wonder how many are actually APBTs. MANY MANY MANY are molosser (Google Molosser images and temperament generalities and tell me it doesn't sound plausible...)crosses, bred to be bigger, which is where we're getting these giant "Pits" that are good guard dogs. Human aggression is different than defending one's own property, btw. Nowhere does it say that a Pit should not defend it's home from strangers. Territorial is a far cry from HA. 

I've posted this before, and the ignorant masses will likely to do it, and if they do, they'll lie about the result, but here's the problem with "Pit Bulls": http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Granted, this is Fox, lol, but still, this is a good video and an eye-opener for those who go around throwing out statistics. http://fox2now.com/2013/02/06/fox-files-pit-bulls-wrongly-blamed-for-dog-attacks/







 

Jenni, true, territorial is different from HA, but it wouldn't do for a dog to only be territorial towards other dogs or animals. I want my territorial dogs to be HA if the stupid human trespasses Onto my home or property.

Well yeah, Joan. Me too. But when people are on someone else's property and say their Pit is "HA" I say, no, it's territorial. No reason to label a perfectly fine dog doing it's job, "HA." 

 

Hexe - I quoted what the man said to me exactly.........you just put word into the mouth of someone you don't even know! The quote didn't need fixing.

 

[sigh] SitasMom, you missed the point.  The statement needed 'fixing' in that it didn't go far enough-- the guy would've been even more correct in referring to most owners, period, not just owners of pit bull type dogs.

Samuel Clemens said it best; There are 3 kids of lies LIES, DAMN LIES and STATISTICS.  They can be slanted anyway you want.

Unfortunately we have people on here spouting inaccurate information. Like BUBBA " the dogs are 4 times as strong as normal when fighting:.  Really???????? Where did you get that little piece of info.?

 

OMG...I missed that part. Rick, is it like what happens to the Incredible Hulk? 

Hmm ... I reckon ALL dogs are stronger than normal while
they are fighting  (wouldn't want to put a 'x' figure on it, tho' !).
The adrenaline kicks in, as might be expected.  If you ever
broke up any sort of serious dog-fight, you can probably identify
with this.