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by GSDNewbie on 17 August 2013 - 00:08
Does the metal digging chain saw have his BH yet?
by Haz on 17 August 2013 - 01:08
Obviously VK is trolling but what the hey Ill bite. I always laugh when I hear people go on about how their dogs are to "real" for schutzhund, or how its all about sleeve sucking dogs etc et. Most of these people have never earned a title and couldnt if they tried. The sport is far from perfect but still remains an excellent venue to test your dog and learn about what he truly is.
I also don't have trouble with a dog that wants the decoy badly enough to try and dig out of the truck. Saying such a dog can never be more then a sport dog is pretty short sighted imo. There are many reasons the dog could be behaving this way and more then one drive could be at play. Either way a good trainer can use that kind of intensity and channel it into productive outlets. Ever walked by a few cop cruisers with a k9 in the back? Much less aggitation..?
I also don't have trouble with a dog that wants the decoy badly enough to try and dig out of the truck. Saying such a dog can never be more then a sport dog is pretty short sighted imo. There are many reasons the dog could be behaving this way and more then one drive could be at play. Either way a good trainer can use that kind of intensity and channel it into productive outlets. Ever walked by a few cop cruisers with a k9 in the back? Much less aggitation..?
by GSDNewbie on 17 August 2013 - 01:08
perhaps I was trolling the troll.......... my sad sense of humor to poke at him as right now I am side lined with pnuemonia unable to attend schutzhund training in the morning in freaking August.... it sucks.... lol I will behave with the troll.
by GSDNewbie on 17 August 2013 - 01:08
On that BH question? Have you earned one? That part was not trolling but honest wish to know?
by Harrisonsgsds26 on 17 August 2013 - 02:08
VK is right in a sense so instead of disregaurding the point try to learn. Schutzhund is not the tell all from my understanding it doesnt exist anymore. Also in some ways its said that Sport and some training methods hide some things. VK I feel you alot of people think they are getting a GSD but the have a wanna be I have had 1 or 2..lol
by steve1 on 17 August 2013 - 03:08
VK
Well i can honestly say that when my Females turn comes to go to work in Protection, the handler and she is standing on the outside of the work field waiting her turn? She may put her front legs up on the fence to watch the other dog but remains calm and quiet. then she is taken at a controlled heel to area where she is going to start the blinds. Once on the field she changes and that,s it she does what she has to do with power and intenstity
. So although she is not like the dogs you describe i guess you may take her to be a weak dog as you describe the others.
VK; i do not want her digging her way out of the vechicle when she sees a sleeve? i want her calm and in control of her feelings at all times. because without that self control she will never get to amount to anything in the IPO sport that is certain. it seems to me that what you want to see in a dog is the wrong things? a Dog must be keen, but always in control of its self meaning its nerves without that it will never make a great sports dog or much good for any job. It is you you needs to learn how to read a dog, and i think for your dogs sake you had better learn fast this is not meant to be critical but to alert you to what you think is right
Steve1
Well i can honestly say that when my Females turn comes to go to work in Protection, the handler and she is standing on the outside of the work field waiting her turn? She may put her front legs up on the fence to watch the other dog but remains calm and quiet. then she is taken at a controlled heel to area where she is going to start the blinds. Once on the field she changes and that,s it she does what she has to do with power and intenstity
. So although she is not like the dogs you describe i guess you may take her to be a weak dog as you describe the others.
VK; i do not want her digging her way out of the vechicle when she sees a sleeve? i want her calm and in control of her feelings at all times. because without that self control she will never get to amount to anything in the IPO sport that is certain. it seems to me that what you want to see in a dog is the wrong things? a Dog must be keen, but always in control of its self meaning its nerves without that it will never make a great sports dog or much good for any job. It is you you needs to learn how to read a dog, and i think for your dogs sake you had better learn fast this is not meant to be critical but to alert you to what you think is right
Steve1
by Hundmutter on 17 August 2013 - 03:08
GSD"Newbie" knows more about this breed and consistently
talks more sense about it than you ever do, vk .
Newbie, get well soon ! [sorry to hear about the pneumonia,
what a drag].
talks more sense about it than you ever do, vk .
Newbie, get well soon ! [sorry to hear about the pneumonia,
what a drag].
by Slamdunc on 17 August 2013 - 04:08
We must realize that the OP has very limited experience and may have seen some soft dogs. He may have also seen an inexperienced decoy that was unable to bring out prey or defense when working a dog properly. He may have seen a decoy that does not have the skills to bring out the best in a variety of dogs. If you watch the videos of the decoys working the OP's dog you will understand my point. To be fair, the OP is from Australia where there is a very limited amount of truly strong, good working GSD's. The Op's experience is with his own dog and watching a few other dogs work. This is hardly enough of a sample of GSD's to really know what an excellent dog is. The OP's dog from the videos I have seen is a nice dog, nothing super aggressive, nothing outstanding, higher in prey and ok in defense. If his dog had a fuller genetic grip and better training it might make a decent sport dog. vk4gsd, I hate to say this to you. I am being honest and not trying to insult you and I certainly don't want to knock your dog. But, IMO, your dog is an average working dog, it's aggression and drive was not overly impressive to me. I have pretty high standards and have seen a lot of great working dogs over the years. If your dog was in our K-9 unit doing Patrol work he would maybe be middle of the road with our dogs and dogs from neighboring agencies. We have far better dogs in our unit, both GSD's and Malinois. I train with better sport dogs and some on the same level but with better training.
vk4gsd, you have a nice dog and it's great that he works pretty well. It is nice that you think your dog is great, we all think our dogs are awesome. But, we must be very careful when viewing our dogs through such thick rose colored glasses. There is no perfect dog and even the best dogs have flaws. It is really not appropriate with your limited experience, limited exposure to GSD's and limited knowledge to knock or label any one's dog. I understand this is your opinion which is of very limited value to anyone but you. If you had a super bad ass, man eater of a dog that was impeccably trained, I'd take you more seriously, but that is clearly not the case.
I would bet that Steve1 and many others on this forum that have experience and are fortunate enough to see really strong dogs would not be overly impresses with the OP's dog.
Many novices are often fooled and impressed by the growling, barking, lunging, and hectic behavior of a dog when it sees a decoy. More experienced folks are not that easily impressed. Many of these dogs that appear to "be in a rage" will fold like a lawn chair when they meet a strong helper who is not phased by the "show." Many people don't realize that the truly serious dogs are the quiet ones when confronted or challenged. It takes experience to tell the strong ones from the insecure ones and the confident ones from the confused ones.
vk4gsd, you have a nice dog and it's great that he works pretty well. It is nice that you think your dog is great, we all think our dogs are awesome. But, we must be very careful when viewing our dogs through such thick rose colored glasses. There is no perfect dog and even the best dogs have flaws. It is really not appropriate with your limited experience, limited exposure to GSD's and limited knowledge to knock or label any one's dog. I understand this is your opinion which is of very limited value to anyone but you. If you had a super bad ass, man eater of a dog that was impeccably trained, I'd take you more seriously, but that is clearly not the case.
I would bet that Steve1 and many others on this forum that have experience and are fortunate enough to see really strong dogs would not be overly impresses with the OP's dog.
Many novices are often fooled and impressed by the growling, barking, lunging, and hectic behavior of a dog when it sees a decoy. More experienced folks are not that easily impressed. Many of these dogs that appear to "be in a rage" will fold like a lawn chair when they meet a strong helper who is not phased by the "show." Many people don't realize that the truly serious dogs are the quiet ones when confronted or challenged. It takes experience to tell the strong ones from the insecure ones and the confident ones from the confused ones.
by Eldee on 17 August 2013 - 08:08
As my girl, lies snoring on her couch, after a long day of chasing squirrels and rabbits and visiting with the seniors out front at the seniors home, I walk over and bury my head in her bushy coat and scratch her behind her ears and tell her how much I love her.
The smiles and laughter she brings into those seniors lives makes my heart burst with pride. One by one, she greets them all. They love her.
Oh yeah, she's soft. About as soft as they come.
You like your dogs your way, and I like my dogs my way. Now, that is breed versatility!!
Bottom line, we both love our dogs.
The smiles and laughter she brings into those seniors lives makes my heart burst with pride. One by one, she greets them all. They love her.
Oh yeah, she's soft. About as soft as they come.
You like your dogs your way, and I like my dogs my way. Now, that is breed versatility!!
Bottom line, we both love our dogs.
by Hired Dog on 17 August 2013 - 08:08
VK, have you ever thought why your dog does what it does? Why would any dog act this way, what is all defense based on? Have you ever seen a confident, dominant dog sit there and look at you....
Most dogs that put on the show you spoke of, do it because of fear, not true aggression, not because of confidence, not because they are bad asses, they simply hope that the show itself will be enough to make the "bad guy" go away. When that does not happen, they shit themselves and fold like Slam said.
ALL defense VK is based on fear, yours, mine and your dog's. The difference is that a good helper will know when and how far to push that dog in defense and then reward it as soon as he sees the appropriate response and release that "Valve" he opened before
it goes over and explodes.
As Slam said, your exposure to good dogs is limited because of your geographical location, I understand you enjoy starting a little drama here and a couple of small arguments, but, this is the reality of your situation.
Most dogs that put on the show you spoke of, do it because of fear, not true aggression, not because of confidence, not because they are bad asses, they simply hope that the show itself will be enough to make the "bad guy" go away. When that does not happen, they shit themselves and fold like Slam said.
ALL defense VK is based on fear, yours, mine and your dog's. The difference is that a good helper will know when and how far to push that dog in defense and then reward it as soon as he sees the appropriate response and release that "Valve" he opened before
it goes over and explodes.
As Slam said, your exposure to good dogs is limited because of your geographical location, I understand you enjoy starting a little drama here and a couple of small arguments, but, this is the reality of your situation.
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