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momosgarbage
I was NOT talking to you when i posted i was say what you had to get in terms of titles etc before you could get a KKL nothing more then you tell me and others to stop posting you are out of order lady; but you are so bloody full of yourself you do not have the guts to own up to that fact. God help the Guy who is married to you i bet he is a real soft Guy who lets you get away with everything you want or do poor Sod, On the other hand i doubt you will get a Guy to put up with you and your distastful manners
You have done excatly nothing with dogs yet you act as if you are an expert but you will NOT say it outright but in a roundabout way Yes i fully understand what sort of person you are. YES, you are an Armchair Expert. So remember Guys when she post,s about dogs in the future it is only what she has read in books or by watching Videos, or by so called theories. She  is as i said just a person who is good at putting words together and as I said before a shallow person, in other words a real non discript being. and it is BETTER to BE A HAS BEEN, THAN A NEVER WILL BE
Now on Monday i will contact the SV to find out what titles a dog must have before going for a korung, for if what is said is correct that a dog who has just a HGH title how can that qualify for a korung; and what will it have to do differently from a IPO Dog to obtain that Korung you cannot have different rules on that
 Now lady tell me this in the meantime, Why does a SL dog have to do the same as a WL dog to get a KKL; after all it maybe S.G or V rated but it still has to do a certain amount of Bite work and attack besides running around a Show ring? What is good for one is good for all dogs with all titles, and how can you compare a Dog which has gone through the rigors of gaining a IPO 3 title to a dog who has just got a HGH title; there is no comparision on the time and work load between gaining a HGH title to an IPO title. the IPO tiles are a combination of 5 different programs before it can go for a Korung; plus the HGH title is but one; so how do you compare them.
and answer the questions in a plain proper civil manner, and then you will get treated like wise.
Steve1

The HGH has been an accepted title for breed survey for years - HGH dogs don't need an AD either. This is one of Ulf's dog - comes from a long line of HGH titled and breed surveyed dogs.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=627746-lenz-vom-dolderbrunnen

I know a couple who have trained with Ulf for years, their first GSD's were bred by him. A number of their dogs are HGH titled with Sch3's, all HOT. I've never seen an HGH trial in person, only on video, but I would never minimize what it takes for a GSD to attain that title. After all the original intent of the breed was tending so why shouldn't an HGH be considered a legit title for a breed survey?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=380575-berta-vom-quasliner-moor

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=442476-elka-vom-quasliner-moor

If the HGH has been accepted for years as been said, which qualifies a dog to be Korung or Koereclasse call it what you will. Perhaps you can then tell me what excatly a dog does in the USA to gain a HGH , and then tell me what the same dog has to do to get a Korung breed survey in terms of work. These two questions answered will clear it all up but not i think in a way which i consider to be a fair one but i will wait to see if they are answered
Steve1

Good Morning / Afternoon Steve1,

I have never seen an HGH trial nor seen a GSD herding so I can't answer your request.
I to look forward to hearing views from others that have participated in an HGH trial.
 
Cheri
 

The HGH over here isn't any different than the HGH in Europe. I don't do herding with my own dogs so I don't know the rules, but I'm sure they're not hard to find. The breed survey procedure is the same whether the dog has an IPO title or the HGH.

I've tried to copy a link here to one of Ulf's videos about tending, but I can't do it. If interested, google HGH tending and you should be able to find it. It doesn't look easy to me and the dog has to be agile and in good physical shape..

An interesting interview with Karl Fuller regarding HGH titling.

http://www.traumhofgsd.com/Interview%20with%20Karl%20Fuller.pdf

clc29,  Blitzen en crashkerry
Thanks for the help,  I know it is a herding title but me being a bit on the thick side according to one or two it does not make much sense, I guess i find it hard to take in as i have said before in my younger days much younger. i trained dogs and competed in Sheep dog trials and i won around 20 of these such trials but with Border Collies. Now to basically win a trial with a single dog you had to send the dog away some 400 yards or more to collect a flock of sheep  which were out of sight to the dog and handler at the time you had to bring the sheep down through certain areas  segregate certain marked sheep from the others through fences or where there was a gap etc all manner of things to finish up penning the sheep and closing the gate a fairly long course and you were competing against the clock. you used your voice a whistle and hand commands to tell the dog what you wanted of it? it was not easy but it was done for fun and no titles were ever given or even thought of in those days. i was around 18 years old then not really so long after the War and up to a year or so  earlier we were still living off ration books that,s why it stuck with me. but to get back to the present time If say a G.S dog has a HGH title then the dog has then to gain its korung and that cannot be done without a Show Grade of G or higher one says it is exempt from getting the UV title so if it is exempt from getting a UV. then perhaps it does not need a Show Grade, so what does it have to do to gain a korung. it makes no sense at all when a dog only has to earn a Herding Title and nothing else.
 When an IPO dog has to get a BH ; then a IPO title of at least IPO 1  consisting of three parts Tracking or Speuring as it is known over here? Obedinence and Protection all scored out of 100 and a 70 passing score, then it has to get a Show Grade of at least G. then it must take a test for the UV Cycle test. does that sound fair to you Guys because i fail to see how it is fair at all. It does not effect me in any way but as i have always been in sports of some kind during my life it is the manner of how things are done and the fairness of it all
Steve1

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National-Herding-Warden
SV-Herding-Rules HGH
Generalities:
Local level: at least 200 sheep – 1 Judge
Regional level: at least 300 sheep – 2 Judges
National level: at least 300 sheep and more – 3 Judges
HGH = Herdengebrauchshund Haupthund = Main-dog Beihund = Assistant- dog
Exercises:
Exit from the pen 6 p
Bridge 6 p
Obstacles and Traffic 10 p
Wide graze 10 p
Narrow graze 10 p
Placement (placing) 8 p
Narrow road 8 p
Grip 8 p
Re-pen 4 p
Odedience 10 p
Dilegence 10 p
Self-reliance (independence) 10 p
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100 p Pass mark: 60 points
60 - 69 p = satisfying
70 - 79 p = good
80 - 89 p = very good
90 - 100 p = excellent
Main Rule: All exercises should be done calm and quiet!! It can be shown in any order!
Behaviour Test (“Temperament-Test”)
It is up to the judge how to test. The dog should be tested in its natural behaviour. It is not allowed to attack or to stress the dog.
It can be done while the handler is leading his dog (on leash) through a small group of persons while the judge is talking to him.
Part of the test is to control the tattoo number or micro-chip.
The dog must be natural and lively. Shy or aggressive dogs are not allowed to run. A little reserve to strangers is accepted.
Exit from the Pen - (Maximum 6 Points)
The shepherd either goes around the pen or into the pen in order to establish contact and familiarize himself with the sheep.
The dogs are placed or tied outside the pen to avoid any disturbance. After the shepherd has familiarized himself with the
sheep, he removes a panel from the pen to make a 4-meter wide opening.
The position of the opening is up to the shepherd unless directed otherwise by the judge. While the shepherd removes the panel
from the pen, the HGH must stand in front of the opening to prevent any sheep from escaping.
After the shepherd secures the panel he removed from the pen with a stake into the ground, he goes to take the place of the
HGH in front of the opening. Then, he sends the HGH over a panel into the pen. The HGH stays quietly on command in the
proper place. The shepherd coaxes the sheep forward by slowly moving backwards away from the pen.
If the sheep don't follow the shepherd, the HGH cautiously puts pressure on the sheep. As soon as the first sheep begin to
move out, the HGH moves around to stand just inside the pen at the opening to insure an orderly exit.
If circumstances require, the HGH is allowed to go back to exert more pressure on the sheep, but then he must return to his
place just inside the pen opening. When the last sheep has left the pen, the HGH may leave the pen on his own or on command.
If the flock, or a portion of the flock, does not follow the shepherd coming out of the pen, the Beihund is used. Under normal
circumstances the Beihund stands at the pen opening opposite the Haupthund. A stand/stay is not required.
Faults
Opening more than one panel unless told to do so by the judge. Unnecessarily long exiting.
HGH is led into the pen.
HGH does not react to verbal commands or signals.
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HGH sits or lies down.
HGH stands outside the panel.
HGH stands too far away.
HGH is called away too early from his position.
HGH disturbs the sheep.
HGH needs too much help.
Obstacles / Traffic - (Maximum 10 Points)
This exercise is to be demonstrated on a sufficiently wide (6-8-meters) road. The shepherd leads the flock while the HGH
pushes the sheep far enough to the side so that a car or vehicle approaching slowly from the front and then from the rear can
pass the flock. The HGH must patrol back and forth between the flock and the vehicle to make room for the sheep and to provide
for traffic safety around the obstacle while at the same time the shepherd watches out that no damage occurs to crops in
the bordering fields. Also with regard to other obstacles on the ground like farm equipment, the HGH should at all times either
patrol back and forth between these obstacles and the flock or stand/stay in front of them to prevent any possible injury to the
sheep.
Faults:
HGH is afraid of the vehicle.
HGH goes around the vehicle.
HGH works behind or too far in front of the vehicle.
HGH pushes too far into the flock causing alarm.
HGH chases a single sheep out of the flock.
HGH does not make enough room between the vehicle and the flock. The vehicle can not pass the flock on the designated
roadway. The flock is pushed too far over onto the Beihund side.
Wide Graze - (Maximum 10 Points)
The shepherd leads the flock and in this way directs the sheep to the wide graze. He allows the flock to pass around him to
enter the large, multi-bordered pasture and to slowly spread out. While the shepherd stands on the corner, so to say, with his
Beihund, the HGH must diligently work the opposite side, patrolling back and forth and - when necessary – moving with the
flock. However, the shepherd may also stand at the corner on the same side as the HGH if at the beginning of the graze the
shepherd finds the border on his side poses an unusual risk because of tempting crops or a road. Where there is an existing
furrow, the HGH should stay neatly and correctly in it and without command stay in the furrow closest to and level with the
sheep. Repeated passes back and forth are desirable. Where there is no furrow, then the HGH must patrol on the boundary of
the pasture and hold the boundary the same as the furrow. The HGH is not
allowed to leave the boundary either to the outside or to the inside (disturbance).
If there are several boundaries to patrol then the HGH should go around the corner. The HGH must keep an eye on the head of
the flock at all times and go along with it without any voice or hand signals. If it is necessary for the dog to change sides, it must
always do it in front of the flock.
Faults:
HGH does not stay in the furrow or on the border. HGH only patrols on voice or hand signals. HGH drastically cuts the corners.
The flock is unnecessarily disturbed. HGH lies down, sits, sniffs. HGH shows little interest.
Placement (placing) - (Maximum 8 Points)
This exercise should show that the HGH can be placed by voice or hand signals in front of the flock without disturbing its grazing.
During the wide graze exercise, the HGH is sent out along the furrow or border in a wide arc in front of the flock where upon
a signal from the shepherd the HGH stands still directly facing the flock. On voice or hand signal the HGH goes forward until
given the command "Stand". The closer the HGH comes to the head of the flock, the slower and more cautiously he should
advance. The exercise continues this way until at least three interruptions are shown and until the head of the flock comes to a
standstill and then slowly begins to turn.
Afterwards the HGH is called away with a single voice or hand signal. On the way back to the furrow or boundary the HGH
should follow the same path that he came in on. The shepherd is not allowed to be too near the dog during the placement exercise;
going with the dog detracts a bit from the effect.
Faults:
Too many commands or signals.
HGH makes too narrow an arc to the head of the flock.
HGH does not go straight toward the head of the flock.
HGH disturbs the flock.
HGH does not stand quietly.
HGH goes toward the shepherd and not toward the head of the flock.
HGH goes too quickly toward the head of the flock.
HGH lies down, sits, sniffs.
HGH charges into the flock.
HGH stands on the corners incorrectly and uncertainly.
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Narrow Graze - (Maximum 10 Points)
The narrow graze can be a small pasture, a harvested crop field or a narrow strip of grass about 30 meters wide. The flock must
graze in the narrow area. This automatically results in stringing out the length of the flock. When entering the narrow graze the
shepherd behaves the same as when entering the wide graze. When the shepherd works with one dog, the dog stands on the
corner and the flock files around it. On entering the narrow graze the dog must be ready to punish stray sheep and to prevent
sheep from straying. The HGH stands at the corner until all the sheep are in the narrow graze. He then shifts to the far side on
voice or hand signal where he independently moves with the flock and strictly holds the furrow or the boundary.
When herding with two dogs, the shepherd stands on the corner with his Beihund while the sheep enter the graze and the HGH
immediately crosses to the far side on its own. On command the HGH must change sides at least once; the same also applies
when herding with two dogs. The HGH should be repeatedly sent from the exposed side of the flock in a wide arc to the front. At
this time the sheep should not be disturbed and certainly not
turned. The HGH should drive back stray sheep without command and punish stray sheep if necessary. If the behaviour of the
flock does not require patrolling allowing the HGH to relax his activity, he should not be penalized; otherwise he should continuously
patrol along the flock. The most effective place for the shepherd to be is along side the middle or the last third of the flock.
Faults:
HGH does not stand on the corner while entering the graze.
HGH keeps leaving the furrow or border.
HGH charges into the flock.
HGH does not cover the whole length of the flock.
HGH changes sides too close to the sheep.
HGH stands too close in front of the flock.
HGH causes the flock to turn.
HGH does not show enough enthusiasm.
HGH remains standing too long, sits or lies down.
The shepherd helps the dog too much changing sides.
The shepherd is in front of the flock.
Narrow Road - (maximum 8 Points)
The road should be narrow and at least 200 meters long. The shepherd leads the flock while the HGH works on the endangered
side. The HGH is to patrol the whole flock from front to back without being told to on both sides. When all the sheep are on the
road, the dog does not need to patrol all the way to the rear every time; he only has to go all the way back to the last sheep
when necessary. It has to change sides in front of the shepherd on command. He can follow a straying sheep back into the flock
and punish it.
Faults:
HGH lacks interest, shows little enthusiasm.
HGH does not patrol the whole length of the flock.
HGH changes sides between the flock and the shepherd.
HGH chases sheep and follows them. HGH grips unnecessarily.
HGH breaks down, always remains standing, sits and lies down.
HGH is heat-sensitive.
HGH is bothered by the weather.
The flock moves too far over onto the Beihund's side,
HGH goes too far away from the flock.
Bridge - (Maximum 6 Points)
If there is no natural bridge available, then one must be set up. It should be reasonably wide (5 meters) and long. When the
bridge is being crossed, the HGH is to stand on an acute angle. This should be done as soon as the first sheep enter the bridge.
The HGH should stand so that he has the shepherd and the rest of the flock in view. The HGH should prevent the sheep from
going around the bridge and possibly being injured. When all the sheep have crossed the bridge, then the HGH is called away
or allowed to follow on his own initiative. Thereby the HGH must also go over the bridge and without delay resume patrolling the
length of the exposed side of the flock.
Faults:
HGH stands on the wrong side of the bridge.
HGH shows little attention facing the flock; stands under pressure – is stressed.
HGH sniffs around, sits or lies down.
HGH lets the sheep go around the bridge.
HGH splits the flock.
HGH does not respond well to voice or hand signals.
HGH changes sides behind the sheep or behind the bridge.
HGH stands fidgety and unsure.
HGH or Beihund allow sheep to go around the bridge.
HGH needs a lot of help with placements.
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Grip - (Maximum 6 Points)
In every flock there are sheep that have little or no respect for the HGH, sheep that know exactly what they want and sheep that
need to know precisely who is in charge. In order to obtain the respect of these sheep, the HGH now and then must demonstrate
a skilful grip. For the grip to have the desired effect it must be a quick, full mouth grip exerting adequate pressure for only
a short time. Gripping too often and unnecessarily are faults.
The HGH must move along with the sheep while gripping; he is not allowed to tear at the sheep; damage to the sheep must not
happen.
Permitted grips are on the neck, on the ribs and on the back of the hind leg. When the shepherd gives the command to grip, the
HGH must grip immediately; he is not allowed to hesitate. One or two commands should be enough; the same holds true when
the HGH is told to release the sheep if the grip lasts too long. This accurately tests whether or not the HGH can command the
necessary respect from the sheep and command the attention of
the lambs. Barking alone does not accomplish this.
Faults:
HGH is afraid.
HGH does not grip.
HGH grips too often.
HGH tears.
HGH holds on too long.
HGH damages sheep.
HGH does not pay attention to the lambs.
The grip is too hard.
Obedience - (Maximum 10 Points)
Obedience is the basis for training. The HGH must be willing and show compliance. The HGH must respond immediately and
diligently to the voice and hand signal of the shepherd. Useful and rewarding shepherding is composed of wise and judicious
education beforehand which should result in a mutually satisfying sense of cooperation.
Obedience permeates all herding disciplines. All voice and hand signals must be carried out immediately with joy and enthusiasm
even at great distances as in the wide graze. The dog should not go after wild animals. The essential characteristic of enthusiastic
obedience is produced by the way the shepherd handles the dog.
An essential point of evaluation for leadership ability is how calmly and confidently the shepherd behaves toward the animals as
well as how much love, good sense, under-standing and empathy he has toward them.
Faults:
HGH is badly trained.
HGH is afraid of the shepherd.
HGH does not obey willingly.
Voice commands and hand signals are carried out slowly and without Enthusiasm.
HGH needs repeated voice commands and hand signals.
The shepherd and the HGH do not have a trusting relationship.
HGH stands under extreme pressure.
HGH chases wild animals.
Diligence - (Maximum 10 Points)
The HGH must always express a joy and readiness to work. He must always have an eye on both the shepherd and the flock.
The good HGH demonstrates liveliness and speed while working as well as diligent patrolling. Any spectator should get the
impression from watching him that all the time the HGH wants to count the sheep constantly.
Faults:
HGH is lazy, tired or even breaks down.
HGH does not listen to commands.
HGH does not pay attention to signals.
HGH shows no joy in working.
HGH shows no interest
Independence (Self-reliance) - (Maximum 10 Points)
Independence is revealed by how well the HGH on his own initiative stays on the boundaries, covers the important places
where needed, patrols on several sides when necessary, does nor disturb the sheep, pushes stray sheep back and punishes
them if necessary. The independent HGH patrols without voice or hand signals, goes with the flock and watches the sheep
while they graze.
Faults:
HGH shows little or no independence.
HGH fails to pay enough attention.
HGH lacks drive and spirit.
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HGH does not patrol the length of the flock.
HGH does not have the courage or the strength to punish the sheep.
The shepherd gives concealed help (wide graze).
Re-Pen - (Maximum 4 Points)
During the re-penning the shepherd stands where the HGH stood during the exit from the pen with the only difference being that
the shepherd positions himself outside the pen instead of inside. He lets the sheep go past him into the pen. If necessary he
leads the sheep into the pen. While the flocks moves into the shepherd has to position himself at the sharp corner outside of the
pen.
The HGH is placed on the furthest end of the removed panel. He can leave his place if the flock refuses to enter the pen. The
HGH must prevent any sheep from going past the pen. If the last part of the flock refuses to go into the pen, the HGH can go
slowly on command behind the flock and walk up to the middle of the entrance.
Faults:
HGH is placed too far away from the panel.
HGH is placed to close to the entrance.
HGH sits and sniffs.
HGH makes the sheep nervous.
HGH allows sheep to pass the pen.
HGH breaks into the flock.
The shepherd stands inside the pen.
Each dog that will pass should show pronounced willingness to defend the shepherd and the flock. (It simulates that a
criminal will attack the shepherd and/or steal sheep.)
The exercise is shown nearby the pen. A helper threatens (with a bite arm + stick) the shepherd and his dog, while the shepherd
holds his dog on leash. The HGH shall show aggression and/or high interest and/or should bark. The dog needs not to grip
the arm. Shyness and bad nerves are faulty.
Wide graze
Narrow
Graze Bridge
Flock
Traffic
Narrow
road
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