Horrendous Attack - Page 9

Susie

I wasn't aware that the dog had hurt a child too. Was there a news article about it?

Rocky I enjoy a good debate as much as any one.  But if you are going to condemn someone for sarcastic remarks and reply that their comments are unintelligent, then aren't you guilty of the same?  If someone's comment bothers you that bad why even reply to it?  I have great respect for many on this board, Jenni and many others.  Including many whom have a far different view then me.  They don't all get along with each other but that is their fight not mine.  I tell you this, I read much more then I comment on.  I personally see many people on here with a ton of experience and loads of knowledge.  I would be honored to have one of these fine people to ever trust me with the care of one of their pups and have them ever to look at me as their friend.  Sometimes it is better to try to see why a person feels the way they do then to get upset about that they have strong feelings on a matter.  It can give you greater insight and understanding.  A larger picture if you will on a matter.

Have a great day

Reggie

You are right Reggie. I just re-read the thread and there were a few statements that I made that were put-downs to Jenni. For that, I apologize. The reason I continue to reply is the following:

It is just baffling to me that someone who breeds german shepherds and understands that fear and aggression can be passed down refuses to accept that poorly bred pit bulls can be aggressive without being abused.

This poor woman was attacked and lost an arm and her poor sons (who originally bought the dog?) are being attacked for crimes they committed in the past and living at home with their mother.

If I had a pit and it attacked me, what would certain posters find bad about me to blame instead of the dog's aggression? I live in an apartment....I am 23...I am engaged to a police officer (a hot topic on this forum!)......I mean, the blame on the owners is really starting to get silly.

And Reggie, I hope that in the future there is a more objective topic that we could debate about in the future. I enjoy the way that you write and respond with thoughtfulness. (Thoughtfulness as in thinking before comitting your response to words)

No, Rocky, the dog didn´t hurt a child.
This was my response to LadyFrost, who mentioned your post from April.

Rocky, rather than keep trying to nail Jello to the barn door, I'm going to post my posts in order, in their entirety- all the posts prior to you jumping on me. Let's look at them objectively and see if just maybe, you're shadowboxing. 
 

by Jenni78 on 13 November 2013 - 09:43	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
Is there a better article? That article was pretty horrendous, itself. Was she 65 or 56? Ok, sure, typo, but then there's talk about more than one dog, the dog in the street, then she's under her car...weirdness all around. Seems pieced together and hard to follow.
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by Jenni78 on 13 November 2013 - 09:54	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
Ok, I found a few more reputable sources and they are VERY vague. Weird. Apparently, the dog wasn't really hers. It belonged to one of her 26 yr old twin sons who still live at home (winners!) I'm curious to hear more as it's released; usually, the "real" newspapers are a bit more sensational. The local Humane Society person there said the attack had nothing to do with breed. Curious if that was based on real facts that we're not privy to or if it was a just a quick PR thing b/c the shelter there is full of them and they're afraid they won't get adopted now.  I like to see pictures of the dog and hear the dog's history with stories like this. Beetree, if you hear a "real" story or find one written as more details are released, update please.
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by Jenni78 on 13 November 2013 - 10:03	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
Yeah, I read that one, too. That one doesn't mention another dog like one of them did. One said the neighbors were interviewed and no one knew the people- just that the dog belonged to her 26yr old sons and they "kept to themselves." Doesn't help the background of the story, much.  Anyway...maybe when she's out of the hospital we'll hear her version.
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by Jenni78 on 13 November 2013 - 12:11	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
Rocky, did you read both articles? Or any of the other ones posted online about it? They're all quite vague. One stated "the dog in the street was the one that attacked the lady". That made me wonder if there was more than one dog of if it was just poorly written. I think it was a very poorly written article. Wait, I already said that and that I wanted to hear what happened when she's able to tell her story.  I'll agree w/LF on one thing............26 yr old twin men living at home w/Momma probably are not the types I'd sell a dog to!   I'm sure they're just there to help her out....
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by Jenni78 on 13 November 2013 - 12:22	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
I know, HD...but nothing about the name of the victim "Anne Murray" suggested a cultural reason for the boys to be at home. Could be wrong, of course. My grandfather emigrated from Italy. Fully aware of cultural differences.
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by Jenni78 on 14 November 2013 - 13:48	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
I didn't mean I thought it was inappropriate so much as I was confused by it's apparent unrelated-ness. I admit, I do not think of Pit Bulls like many do- perhaps my mind just didn't process it the way many/most would. Hanging off a tree means nothing to me- my uber-stable dogs do it all the time, dogs of different breeds. Thus, picturing a human limb in place of the branch isn't something I thought of. Again, I admit my experience with not only Pit Bulls but also tree-loving dogs in general that likely kept that out of my mind. I can see where someone leery of the breed would think that wasn't a favorable context or that it would conjure up gruesome images in many minds. Newsflash........not everyone thinks like I do! LOL
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by Jenni78 on 14 November 2013 - 15:14	Jenni78 Posts: 6150 Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 03:24 pm
Sure, it's displacement, frustration...just like in any other dog. GSDs and Mals do it all the time and it gets defended and lauded as "high drive." I don't/won't own a dog that shows displacement like that, but again, not everyone thinks like I do! LOL 26yr old twins w/criminal backgrounds make me think it was not so much to mom's benefit as much as theirs that they live at home. Having left at 19, I don't get that "failure to launch" thing to begin with, but I only made the comment because of the criminal history, not the mere fact that they were still at home. Do the math- 26yr old twins, living at home, criminal records, no utilities at the house, Pit Bull as only pet (only pet mentioned anyway)........not looking too good.
0 likes and 0 dislikes Ok, that's everything I said. Now here's where you come in and well, it kinda spirals downward from there. I don't know what else I can possibly do to show you that you are waaaay off-base in even addressing me with your accusations.

 

by RockyGSD on 15 November 2013 - 08:05     You dislike this post

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Jeni.... You have created any and every reason to blame except for the pit bull's genetics. I think you are reaching a bit far with this "criminal record" bit and "living at home". For all you know, the twins could have down syndrome and have to live with their mother. That statement I just made is about as farfetched as the rest of the comments you have made about these men. I don't understand why you are trying so hard to force the idea that the humans are to blame. I am not saying this in a fighting manner- I would truly like to know. In our last thread you were very angry when I said that dogs are not worth a human life. I want to understand where you are coming from. Did you have some kind of traumatic event with another human? I really feel like you go out of your way to make humans look bad or be the blame in every thread on this forum and present the dogs as hopeless victims. It is not a dog's "fault" that it inherited aggression. But that doesn't stop it from being aggressive. When a german shepherd attacks someone, the first thing we usually blame is genetic aggression or BYB When a pit bull attacks someone, anything and everything but genetic aggression is blamed to the point where it is ridiculous. I mean, going to the point to try to research this family to find anything you can point out that blames the owner and not the dog is just crazy in my eyes. I hope that you are able to read this post and take it as it was written -- respectfully and curiously. And reply as like in turn.

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My sincere apologies to everyone else reading this disaster. I have nothing else to say; if this doesn't end this insane shadowboxing, I don't think anything will and I'll just have to get some selective reading skills.   ~Jen

Susie,

I am unfamiliar with how to look up my past posts from so long ago and do not recall a thread about children biting.....I can assure you my dog has NEVER bitten a child. We have spent thousands of dollars on training after he started developing fear aggressive behaviors at 1 1/2. He was abused as a puppy by his former owners Now he is three and we have (my trainer has told me) trained him to the furthest possible extent to fix the fear caused by abuse. He said that what skittish/fear issues he still has are genetics and cannot be changed, only monitored and controlled (and keep up his training!)

My life has been completely changed by Rocky...I have had to change my lifestyle to adapt to him because of these fear issues and have not beeen able to enjoy "normal" dog owner activities because of owning Rocky.

I am a responsible owner and do not allow any opportunity for someone to startle my skittish dog which could result in a bite. I am very confused about how a thread about a pit bull mauling a woman and ripping her arm off has annything to do with a post made 7 months ago about my german shepherd that has never bitten anyone.
 

by LadyFrost on 15 November 2013 - 16:16

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ha,ha..well Jenni...it is all you girl..apparently since my posts are invisible to her but what i posted you did not disagree with you are the target of questionnaire... plus, since  robbers and criminals make great pet owners that is why any good breeder or rescue require home check, and rehoming fee, the vet check...you know all the things that responsible criminals, robbers, etc are really good about keeping track of....  :) ....here is Rockys post from April...looks like her dog is capable of hurting a child, so if that happens she will call it genetics flaw and not her responsibility    by RockyGSD on 27 April 2013 - 04:29    RockyGSD Posts: 15 Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:56 am PS> Why should a dog have to like children? They are loud, make quick motions, and poke/prod/grab. My dog tolerates children and we go to Petsmart and Lowes to practice meeting them, but if one grabbed his ears he may nip them. But guess what? He never gets the chance to because I only let well behaved children pet my dog. I am on constant alert when children are around, as a good owner should be.

This is from page 4 written by LadyFrost - you really should read everything, if you want to start a debate with some members of this board.
Don´t misunderstand me, I didn´t like this comment, and I tried to support you.
I should keep myself out of this nonsense...

You can not beat quality out of a dog, nor can you train quality into one. A dog is what it is, you train to cover weakness and faults and to bring out qualities. A dog within itself brings nothing to the table, it takes a bond, quality training and a quality animal to make it an asset to ones life.

Paul